Israel / Palestine
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cookiemonster
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I'm shocked I tell you, shocked.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-links-yet-to-provide-evidence-colonna-report
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-links-yet-to-provide-evidence-colonna-report
AndyRM
Elder Goth
See my previous comment...
Presumably Andy and Dutchie think this is absolutely fine because all's fair in love and war, even if you're obliterating an innocent group of people.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
No that is a misfabrication, what i say is the current conflict the current war is part of a new war, off course there is a longer conflict but like the example i gave before regardless if you agree with the politics behind it our not, the first and second gulf wars where two different wars and conflicts parts of a much larger conflict which was half-arsed solved with the removal of Saddam.
So similarly there is indeed an larger conflict but the current war is an seperate war into that conflict. So cherry picking 50 years in the past to claim .''this is why nobody likes Isreal isn;t really going to work.'' Reasons enough why not the like Isreal but this topic has been balanced towards hating Isreal enough as it is, and and ignoring whatever Hamas does because ''they are terrorist'' but that doesn't really work that way having one standard for the one and a other for the other.
But all together i still don't see how you have different standard for Iran in this topic.
Yeah i think they calls to resign should stop it takes a long time to train someone and if they have to resign after every fart the quality will go down instead of up on the longer term.Just turned on the BBC news to see a report of the Jewish man threatened with arrest at a pro-Palestine march this weekend, with calls for Met chief to resign
That is a comment similar to ''if women walk in a mini skirt, they ask to be inappropriately touched etc.'' If you go to a protest you have to abide to the rules or our soceity which includes that you may protest but may not harrass, attack, assuslt or abuse anyone, During there protest clearly the police dropped a ball or two and personally i'm not a fan of those ''provoke filmers'' either whatever their intentions are but still, democracy only works if it's the same for anyone.
That is a bit contradictory, if they are peace angels than why
Is your boogeyman/bad actor able to provoke this persons of peace? (not denying that he possibly/might/deliberatly went there to provoke, if it are such angels like you claim nothing would have happened)
Totally not relevant but maybe they are a bit more carefull i remember something in the beginning of the war about a hospital parking lot, all media directly copied the claim of 500 deaths, due to an isreali rocket but it turned out to be much more likely an Palestinian rocket, and estimates of death ranging from 10 to 300.(the huge difference in numbers is only because the Palestinian authority isn;t a reliable source, but there are no people to check on the ground either.
You known once upon a time there was a big media tower in Gaza with international journalist claiming to bring independend news, then one day Isreal called them and told them to get out and the tower was blown up, big media outrage blahdieblah then years later it turned out coverage wasn't that independ after all and Hamas regularly beat=up journalist who wrote content they didn't like and they used that tower als rocket launching base.
So before you once again claim with so many or so little words it's all Isreal biased, maybe realise that the other side does not want their honest side to be heard only what they want to show.
But yes i agree ''mass grave found, one party in the war is investigating it'' but please answer this question, why do you think many countries aren't exactly keen to send in an ''peace force'' ? like they did in Darfur, different part of Africa etc.?
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
something you said slightly tweaked
''"So a UN employees have been found to work for terrorist."
"Yes, the UN is looking into it."
on of the first lines in your link ''The Colonna report, which was commissioned by the UN'' so if Isreal checks it own facts your question it(rightly so), if the UN does the same your assume it's all true.. strange reasoning.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
I haven't posted any links...
I make no assumptions, that's all you buttercup.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
you said this ''See my previous comment...
Presumably Andy and Dutchie think this is absolutely fine because all's fair in love and war, even if you're obliterating an innocent group of people.''
Which means in normal english that you agree with whatever the UN says about UN Employees being part of a TERRORIST organisation in a research the UN paid for. which was where the article was about, at least that is the best case, worst case it that you drag two forum member into a discussion without even knowing where it is about, which one is it?
AndyRM
Elder Goth
It really doesn't.
And I specifically didn't @ either of you because frankly I can't be arsed trying to have a rational conversation on this, or any subject with either of you on this forum.
You dragged yourself in by quoting me, then proceeded to make all kinds of wild assumptions about my thoughts on the situation.
It's pointless and boring.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
it's not wild because you say it's wild, you once again contradict yourself having different standards for the one than for the other. i known you didn't tag but i was pretty clear who you meant, so no i did not drag myself in it was you. Why is it so hard for you to take responsabilty? Maybe because you consistently defending poeple and terrorist who specialise in just that? (not taking responability in case you don't understand)
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Again, you're making assumptions.
And if you can point me in the direction where I've defended terrorists at any point then feel free to do so.
You'll struggle, because I haven't. In fact, nobody has, you just have this fevered little idea that because Israel is coming in for a lot of flack it means people are supporters of Hamas, which literally nobody on this thread has said.
This is why I didn't tag you, because you just make sh!t up.
By all means carry on piping up though, it really makes no difference to me how daft you want to make yourself look on here.
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C R
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dutchguylivingintheuk
Über Member
i point you to the fact that on a other post you claim (rightly so) it is strange that Isreal investigates crimes their own forces might be or have been accused of being part of.
Yet on the same page you seem to be absolutely fine with the UN judging the UN in an ''research'' commisioned by the UN. when they have been accused of their employees being part of Hamas. Not in the least place by victim statements of the few who are released from Gaza. i think that is contradictory how would you call that?
i have multiple times, you can see that when you get to the pathetic insults stage i known i'm on the right track..
point above proven.
AndyRM
Elder Goth
Pointing out that you talk total bollocks on this thread isn't insulting.
Claiming people have said or assumed things which they haven't, and repeatedly insisting that they have, however, very much is.