Israel / Palestine

[Beebo]

Not looking great for Middle East peace.
Israel have formally declared war so expect an absolute savage response.
Clearly 2000 years of history has taught us nothing.

 

[winjim]

You can only declare war against a state right? So you have to recognise that state?

 

[Beebo]

You can only declare war against a state right? So you have to recognise that state?

According to CNN, they have declared war against Hamas. So they have carefully avoided that trap.

 

[Milzy]

The Taliban have asked for a safe passage to fight along side Hamas. Going to be an interesting one.

 

[winjim]

According to CNN, they have declared war against Hamas. So they have carefully avoided that trap.

Without judging anything else that's happening, is that legal? Can you make a formal declaration of war against an organisation like that?

In some ways it might be a good thing if at least in theory they're subject to the laws of war.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Without judging anything else that's happening, is that legal? Can you make a formal declaration of war against an organisation like that?

In some ways it might be a good thing if at least in theory they're subject to the laws of war.

The declaration really doesn't matter, nor the use of the word war by Netanyahu. Never mind who is in the moral right, Hamas's actions are a de facto declaration of war and not just another act of terrorism/retaliation and there will be thousands killed whether it ticks the right legal boxes or not. From one BBC report: "That message was underlined by Hamas itself. “We are prepared for all options, including all-out war,” said Saleh al-Arouri, the deputy head of the Hamas political bureau."

 

[winjim]

The declaration really doesn't matter, nor the use of the word war by Netanyahu. Never mind who is in the moral right, Hamas's actions are a de facto declaration of war and not just another act of terrorism/retaliation and there will be thousands killed whether it ticks the right legal boxes or not. From one BBC report: "That message was underlined by Hamas itself. “We are prepared for all options, including all-out war,” said Saleh al-Arouri, the deputy head of the Hamas political bureau."

Apart from anything it's interesting rhetoric especially given that since 9/11* various governments have, for various reasons used euphemistic language to describe either the conflicts in which they're involved, or the participants.

The Israeli government obviously has the strength of feeling behind it and the confidence to just say 'right, f*ck you, it's WAR'.


*possibly before that as well, I wasn't really paying attention.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Apart from anything it's interesting rhetoric especially given that since 9/11* various governments have, for various reasons used euphemistic language to describe either the conflicts in which they're involved, or the participants.

The Israeli government obviously has the strength of feeling behind it and the confidence to just say 'right, f*ck you, it's WAR'.


*possibly before that as well, I wasn't really paying attention.

Rhetoric thrives at times of conflict, as Netanyahu and al-Harouri prove and is also demonstrated in the Russia/Ukraine "special operation".

 

[CXRAndy]

Where are all the lefties supporting Hamas?

 

[albion]

Lets face it. The people are always just pawns or prisoners. Whenever religion comes into play it is more the latter.

 

[Milzy]

Where are all the lefties supporting Hamas?

Here

 

[Ian H]

This says something about the Israeli government's mindset.
Golda Meir took an intense dislike to the progressive lawyer Shulamit Aloni, a young Knesset member for Mapai, when she described the Israelis as ‘conquerors’ after the 1967 war: ‘How dare you call Jews conquerors? We Jews are always underdogs.’
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v45/n14/seth-anziska/one-of-those-extremists

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

You can only declare war against a state right? So you have to recognise that state?

Nope, Bush declared the war on terror also not exactly an state right?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Where are all the lefties supporting Hamas?

when the blood of the isreali bodies is still fresh, or the 250+bodies on the ''festival off peace have barely been identified'' but Hamas managed to put some women in children in the buildings Isreal told them they are gonna bomb then they will come to their keyboards to brand isreal inhumane child killers etc.
Because the one victim is more important than the other, atleast that's how it always goes.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Where are all the lefties supporting Hamas?

I know the concept might be difficult for you to understand but it is possible to support a cause without supporting the actions taken in furtherance of it.