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I'm trying to find the Israeli point of view on this. Murder all but two paramedics and then detain without trial one of them whilst admitting there might have been some errors along the way.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lzyl2805wo
Maybe because they are peanuts (enough n this topic supporting that opinion) , maybe just maybe because Hamas only wears uniforms when they handover hostages and wrong death bodies. And apart from that they wear civilian clothes, are dressed up as medics etc. etc. maybe the ''medic'' isn't arrested because of no reason maybe he forgot to mention his Hamas membership, but off course it could also be the idf is wrong. (wouldn't be the first time)
But he should get an full trail.
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
And apart from that they wear civilian clothes
Maybe it's more complex than you make out eg Israel was refusing eg tents and sleeping bags on the grounds they could be used to make uniforms for Hamas. So maybe they have little choice (or walk around naked).
maybe the ''medic'' isn't arrested because of no reason maybe he forgot to mention his Hamas membership
Hamas are the elected Government. Just because somebody may be a Party member does not make them a terrorist (I've not even seem evidence he was a Hamas member and the trouble is Israel keeps making these allegations with no evidence suppied eg driving in a suspicious manner without lights ... until ... video.

And again for the record, seeking the actual truth is not supporting Hamas, being suspicious of a Government who have repeatedly lied and never provides evidence is not supporting Hamas, etc.

Ian.
 

Psamathe

Senior Member
p.s. when was their last election?
How do they go about having elections in Palestine? Genuine question I don't know the answer to as I seem to remember reading that Israel's approval/assistance is required and Israel has not wanted Palestinian elections - but I have no idea of the source of that nor it's reliability so I really have no idea.

But I have seen a lot of reports from more reliable sources that Israel/Netanyahu has in the past supported/propped up Hamas ("that terrorist organisation"); reason to weaken the Palestinian Authority and thus pressure on re the 2 state solution.

Ian
 
Maybe it's more complex than you make out eg Israel was refusing eg tents and sleeping bags on the grounds they could be used to make uniforms for Hamas. So maybe they have little choice (or walk around naked).
Yeah right, they could build mansions while palestinians civilians suffered, they smuggled drugs but uniforms where to much? They have a choice and their choice is not saving civilians, they said so themselves in various different wordings but it all comes down to the same. they don't see civilian lives as their priority.


Hamas are the elected Government.
They are not, you might argue their political wing was but since they have faded to the ditch their bodies are probably dumped in, it's not fair to mention that.
On paper Gaza is under control of the palestian authority only on paper tough.(PLA cannot move safely trough Gaza)
The only elections they have had so far on Gaza also lacked severely in terms off standard we internationally value for elections, like voter privacy and those kind of things.

Just because somebody may be a Party member does not make them a terrorist (I've not even seem evidence he was a Hamas member and the trouble is Israel keeps making these allegations with no evidence suppied eg driving in a suspicious manner without lights ... until ... video.
That is also wrong, i challenged @glascowcyclist but he didn't respond, the actual idf report is much longer and doesn't shy away from criticism on their own organisation but is not as dramatic as Hamas wanted so they ignored that and pretended the video was the first evidence that came to light.


And again for the record, seeking the actual truth is not supporting Hamas,
maybe start by looking at the best attempt of actual evidence instead of brainlessly repeating political Hamas's line.


being suspicious of a Government who have repeatedly lied and never provides evidence is not supporting Hamas, etc.

Ian.
Indeed nothing wrong with being suspicious, but that something else than what you claim futher''never supplied evidence'' you might dispute it but they did on multiple occasions supplied evidence.
Also Because Israel is a somewhat working society so not every Israeli agrees with the government line, some Israeli media are actually quite critical of the government.
 

All uphill

Well-Known Member
Yeah right, they could build mansions while palestinians civilians suffered, they smuggled drugs but uniforms where to much? They have a choice and their choice is not saving civilians, they said so themselves in various different wordings but it all comes down to the same. they don't see civilian lives as their priority.



They are not, you might argue their political wing was but since they have faded to the ditch their bodies are probably dumped in, it's not fair to mention that.
On paper Gaza is under control of the palestian authority only on paper tough.(PLA cannot move safely trough Gaza)
The only elections they have had so far on Gaza also lacked severely in terms off standard we internationally value for elections, like voter privacy and those kind of things.


That is also wrong, i challenged @glascowcyclist but he didn't respond, the actual idf report is much longer and doesn't shy away from criticism on their own organisation but is not as dramatic as Hamas wanted so they ignored that and pretended the video was the first evidence that came to light.



maybe start by looking at the best attempt of actual evidence instead of brainlessly repeating political Hamas's line.



Indeed nothing wrong with being suspicious, but that something else than what you claim futher''never supplied evidence'' you might dispute it but they did on multiple occasions supplied evidence.
Also Because Israel is a somewhat working society so not every Israeli agrees with the government line, some Israeli media are actually quite critical of the government.

None of that (even if true) adds up to justification for the actions of the IDF, Netanyahu and his cronies, does it?
 
None of that (even if true) adds up to justification for the actions of the IDF, Netanyahu and his cronies, does it?
Never claimed it did. I also don't think Netahnyahu (as he in this case ultimately give the orders) really need an justification to be honest. Just as Hamas doesn't need an justification to let Palestinian children die so they can use the pipes intended to provide clean water potentially saving said children to attack Israel with inprovised rocket launchers
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Never claimed it did. I also don't think Netahnyahu (as he in this case ultimately give the orders) really need an justification to be honest. Just as Hamas doesn't need an justification to let Palestinian children die so they can use the pipes intended to provide clean water potentially saving said children to attack Israel with inprovised rocket launchers

Dude, you've had some deep end moments on this thread, but this might be your best/worst.
 
When the Houthis do things like they they end up getting attacked in a big way by US/UK forces. And unlike Houthi attacks I've seen very little comment from those western politicians who so have launched military aircraft in response to attacks on shipping

Ian
and when Isreal reported about alleged use of rape as weapon of war/terrorism,after 7 October the usual suspects are quite good in milking the words alleged.
So let me point out that this articles says ''alleged'' far more then average, in most cases things linked to hamas and or politcal hamas confuse the meaning of the word ''alleged'' with ''we are lying''
 
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