Israel / Palestine

[Psamathe]

https://news.sky.com/story/israels-...ng-greta-thunberg-from-reaching-gaza-13380707

Love her or hate her, Greta is definitely shining a light on Israel. And risking her life.

The Israeli Defence minister has tweeted the following:
“I have instructed the IDF to act so that the "Madeleine" hate flotilla does not reach the shores of Gaza - and to take any means necessary to that end. To the anti-Semitic Greta and her fellow Hamas propaganda spokespeople, I say clearly: You should turn back - because you will not reach Gaza. Israel will act against any attempt to break the blockade or assist terrorist organizations - at sea, in the air and on land."

Calling everyone who disagrees with you an anti semite is a low ball move. What evidence does he have that she is anti semetic.

I assume UK Navy is steaming in to defend UK registered vessels in international waters. They (UK Gov.) seem to act when it's some African or Arab country attacking and hijacking UK registered shipping.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

I assume UK Navy is steaming in to defend UK registered vessels in international waters. They (UK Gov.) seem to act when it's some African or Arab country attacking and hijacking UK registered shipping.

Ian

Lucky the boat wasn't blown out of the water trying to run a defence line held by Israel.

 

[CXRAndy]

Greta to be tortured

Must watch footage of October 11 massacre

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

It was Netanyahu who kept Hamas in power, in order to keep Palestine divided so he could claim there was no overall Palestinian government to negotiate with.

Natahnyahu funded Hamas indeed with the goals above, but that was not all i was saying, yu see that happens often in this topic people have a certain tunnel vision and then they start saying the same thing over and over thinking it somehow get more credible.
But the thing is, if Nethanyahu funds Hamas it does not mean it rules out Iran funding them aswell and/or supplying them with weapons. At the same time, Many rumors suggest they did, some suggest with or without Isreali knowledge.

The UN role in situations like this is always a bit difficult, but there have been multiple occasions this war Hamas run/controlled buildings have been overrun exposing that Hamas was harvesting UN supplied aid, and it's also not the first time weapons storage has been found in UN run schools
Now for an ngo's like the UN to operate they often have to make deals with organisations like Hamas because otherwise they wouldn't be able to supply any help at all, but to date they deny this in their reports. which is just wrong in my view.

So, @dutch, can you now answer the above question please?

Do you think and estimated 60k deaths that contains an unknown number of fighters for hamas and fractions who fight in civilian clothes(a war crime) out of an population of an estimated 2 million constitutes to wanting to ''eliminate'' the whole population?

No, he was entirely accurate in his reporting. There was a citation missing from one point, and a reluctant admission that stupid people might not have had sufficient information.

as a journalist he should account for ''stupid poeple'' and those deliberatly Stupid, that why he gets paid for writing/reporting about things.

There was no mis-reporting. Stop making things up that aren't true. We have enough of that already.

the bbc claims it does right? or at least leaving away something that make it possible to be explained in a different way.

By reading them. They were minor. The sense of the article was not incorrect. The historicity of the article was not incorrect. The article was not factually incorrect.

it was not said or implied

Supporting evidence? I would contend that once an issue is known about the BBC are very good at researching it. They even produce political or documentary programmes about an issue while it is being investigated and report it on their own channel. You wouldn't see that in a Murdoch owned outlet.

Yeah murdoch owned outlets are not very good, but that doesn't say anything about the quality of the BBC's own. it may sounds great but does it really? i'm not to convinced, yes when the topic is ''Trump, far right, Isreal, etc.'' they generally do a good job but when it's left, pro hamas/gaza etc. it seems to turn an blind eye to things.

They weren't off. You can't investigate a thing until you know it's a thing. Also both Brand and Saville's offending were very historical and the BBC has learned a lot of lessons.

After Saville they said it wouldn't happen again, yet Russel Brand was at least when generation futher, so a other example of saying they weren't off whilst they where.

But they did correct them, didn't they? Isn't that the point?

Location, location, the corrections are hidden away on the website, whilst the original claims arein big letters on their homepages, televised new and printed media.
Als Cliff Richards won a court case against them for the very same reason.

And yet you are the one nitpicking about an article because the same journalist wrote something 15 years ago which had some minor flaws exposed due to a raving lunatic complaining about it.

Just keeping you lot honest, you known damn well you would be doing the same if the topic of his article was something you don't politically like.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Love her or hate her, Greta is definitely shining a light on Israel. And risking her life.

Indeed! if she wasn't stopped by Isreal the most likely thing to would have happened is that she would have been raped at least one of her crew members killed and their ''aid'' stolen as loot. But that's an inconvenient thruth lefties don't understand right?

 

[PurplePenguin]

She was certainly lucky to escape the standard Israeli approach to incarceration. It appears this time she only suffered a re-education programme and was not tortured, raped or held indefinitely.

 

[icowden]

Indeed! if she wasn't stopped by Isreal the most likely thing to would have happened is that she would have been raped at least one of her crew members killed and their ''aid'' stolen as loot. But that's an inconvenient thruth lefties don't understand right?

No, it's made up batshit theorising.

Mr James O Brien made what i think is a very salient point - Why are the Israelis characterising Greta's mission as a celebrity selfie yacht?
He posits that in 2010 the Gaza Freedom Flotilla tried to deliver aid to Gaza. Israeli forces killed 10 protestors and wounded 30 more. By having a "celebrity" on the yacht it meant that Israel couldn't just gun down or indefinitely detain the protestors because you can't just kill famous people. It doesn't go down well.

I would also suggest that the whole point of the mission was not to deliver massive amounts of aid to Gaza, but to demonstrate that Israel is defying international law and the ICJ’s binding orders requiring unimpeded humanitarian access to Gaza.

 

[Psamathe]

She was certainly lucky to escape the standard Israeli approach to incarceration. It appears this time she only suffered a re-education programme and was not tortured, raped or held indefinitely.

Back in 2010 an aid convoy intercepted by Israeli troups in international waters IDF kill 9 of the crew and injured 30.

Fortunately for Israel the US blocked calls for an international inquiry at the UN for (allegedly) violating international law (it was again in internation al waters and they killed crew members!).

Ian

 

[Beebo]

Indeed! if she wasn't stopped by Isreal the most likely thing to would have happened is that she would have been raped at least one of her crew members killed and their ''aid'' stolen as loot. But that's an inconvenient thruth lefties don't understand right?

How do you know think that could be reversed?

Would More aid or less aid help?

By stopping all aid, don’t be surprised if the population becomes more violent.

 

[Psamathe]

Indeed! if she wasn't stopped by Isreal the most likely thing to would have happened is that she would have been raped at least one of her crew members killed and their ''aid'' stolen as loot. But that's an inconvenient thruth lefties don't understand right?

You mean by the criminal gang(s) that Netanyahu/Israel have been arming?

Ian

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

She was certainly lucky to escape the standard Israeli approach to incarceration. It appears this time she only suffered a re-education programme and was not tortured, raped or held indefinitely.

If she actually wathed the video she would have seen rape as a weapon of war/torture is something the party is she is defending is more likely to do.

No, it's made up batshit theorising.

Mr James O Brien made what i think is a very salient point - Why are the Israelis characterising Greta's mission as a celebrity selfie yacht?
He posits that in 2010 the Gaza Freedom Flotilla tried to deliver aid to Gaza. Israeli forces killed 10 protestors and wounded 30 more. By having a "celebrity" on the yacht it meant that Israel couldn't just gun down or indefinitely detain the protestors because you can't just kill famous people. It doesn't go down well.

I would also suggest that the whole point of the mission was not to deliver massive amounts of aid to Gaza, but to demonstrate that Israel is defying international law and the ICJ’s binding orders requiring unimpeded humanitarian access to Gaza.

Maybe start by actaully looking at who was onboard amongst with those naive charity persons, it was full of terrorist, but that's all a bit besides the point, there is no need for aid boats, there was no need for aid at all.
when Isreal delivered Gaza it was build to be fully self-suficient, first thing Hamas did is destroy it.
Second it's not about the AId flow coming into Gaza its about what's actually reaching it's residents again all controlled by Hamas. It's indeed easy to claim from you armchair ''ooohh look at how evil Isreal is, they let those people stave'' but it is a little more complicated and this very attitude make the problem persist and worse not any better.
I showed an video clip earlier show Hamas shooting people in the knee who tried to reach american pmc controlled aid point, little to none of you even acknowledged you choice of course but don't pretend to care about a situation of you refuse to look at all angles.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

How do you know think that could be reversed?

i showed video's eralier from Gaza showing massive protest against Hamas, with protestors shouting amongst other things ''it's hamas' not the Jews'' so the movement against Hamas is already forming.

Would More aid or less aid help?

Making sure Aid actually reaches the people and not Hamas warehouse would be more effective.

By stopping all aid, don’t be surprised if the population becomes more violent.

Exactly, looking at the many video's that show hamas warehouse being overrun either because of an Israeli rocket strike damage the building or something else but Hamas isn't the only one with comittng the violence anymore Hamas ''police'', soldiers etc. aren't safe anymore. they are still the most dominant but they are movement(s) against them. I just don't nessaracry know if they would be the better alternative.(due to the lack of information coming out for obvious reasons

You mean by the criminal gang(s) that Netanyahu/Israel have been arming?

Ian

If only it was that simple, it 's more like the gangs that have been funded by drugs trade, that have been funded by Iran, that have ben funded by Nathanyahu/isreal and any mix of them, some would be loyal to hamas some to their local warlord etc. etc.

 

[icowden]

Maybe start by actaully looking at who was onboard amongst with those naive charity persons, it was full of terrorist, but that's all a bit besides the point, there is no need for aid boats, there was no need for aid at all.

Have you been smoking the herbal stuff again? The boat was crewed by

• Greta Thunberg
• Rima Hassan, a member of the European Parliament
• Omar Faiad, French Journalist
• Yanis Mhamdi, French Journalist
• Yasemin Acar, a human rights activist
• Baptiste Andre, A French Doctor
• Thiago Avila, Brazillian human rights activist
• Marc Van Rennes, ships crew
• Sergio Toribio, ships crew (navigator)
• Pascal Mauieras, french activist
• Suayb Ordu, Turkish volunteer
• Reva Seifert-VIard, French activist

I showed an video clip earlier show Hamas shooting people in the knee who tried to reach american pmc controlled aid point, little to none of you even acknowledged you choice of course but don't pretend to care about a situation of you refuse to look at all angles.

How much earlier? I can see no sign of it.

 

[AndyRM]

Have you been smoking the herbal stuff again? The boat was crewed by

• Greta Thunberg
• Rima Hassan, a member of the European Parliament
• Omar Faiad, French Journalist
• Yanis Mhamdi, French Journalist
• Yasemin Acar, a human rights activist
• Baptiste Andre, A French Doctor
• Thiago Avila, Brazillian human rights activist
• Marc Van Rennes, ships crew
• Sergio Toribio, ships crew (navigator)
• Pascal Mauieras, french activist
• Suayb Ordu, Turkish volunteer
• Reva Seifert-VIard, French activist

How much earlier? I can see no sign of it.

Tenner says it's one of those that he definitely posted but can't be arsed to go and relink to.

 

[Ian H]

...yu see that happens often in this topic people have a certain tunnel vision and then they start saying the same thing over and over thinking it somehow get more credible.

Indeed they do.