Israel / Palestine

[AuroraSaab]

Erm...no.

My sources are from many news reports that detailed the work of the IAEA and the first nuclear deal.

As always, you're talking bollox again.

And, fyi, I'm no fan of the Iranian regime and neither are the Iranian people.

I don't doubt that Netanyahu has his own reasons for the attack on Iran but it's widely alleged that Iran is not cooperating with inspections and is in breach of its non proliferation agreement. According to Reutors they were about to be officially declared non compliant.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china...-with-undeclared-nuclear-material-2025-05-31/

 

[cookiemonster]

I don't doubt that Netanyahu has his own reasons for the attack on Iran but it's widely alleged that Iran is not cooperating with inspections and is in breach of its non proliferation agreement. According to Reutors they were about to be officially declared non compliant.

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Currently, yes, they're not. The IAEA have been sharply critical of Iran's breach of the Proliferation Treaty, a treaty that Israel refused to sign incidentally.

The point I'm making is that if the Iran nuclear deal had been left alone, before Trump destroyed it in 2018, Iran would, more or less, be nuclear free and we wouldn't be witnessing these attacks now.

Don't think for a second that I'm defending Iran, or Israel, both of whom have vile governments.

 

[First Aspect]

A tell-tale of arguing in bad faith is the easy resort to ad hominems or name-calling.

This is a decent guide to identify trolls https://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Troll - if you read through that and someone here ticks several boxes (hint - they do), then, as you say, the 'ignore' function works well.

Tp be honest Brian that's a snowflake definition of troll, rather than a big boy trousers definition.

On here it is characterised by essentially spamming any discussion. Essentially. Posting something that sparks some response and rather than engaging with what was posted, just posting something else, ad nauseum. Much of it is meaningless and fairly harmless, some moderately offensive. But for me the mere process of contributing about as much as a bot is what feels like trolling.

 

[briantrumpet]

Tp be honest Brian that's a snowflake definition of troll, rather than a big boy trousers definition.

On here it is characterised by essentially spamming any discussion. Essentially. Posting something that sparks some response and rather than engaging with what was posted, just posting something else, ad nauseum. Much of it is meaningless and fairly harmless, some moderately offensive. But for me the mere process of contributing about as much as a bot is what feels like trolling.

Probably a discussion for the relevant thread...

 

[icowden]

This is a decent guide to identify trolls https://www.wikihow.com/Identify-a-Troll - if you read through that and someone here ticks several boxes (hint - they do), then, as you say, the 'ignore' function works well.

Agreed. To a point it can be fun to puncture the nonsense he posts, but it's ultimately pointless because no-one is interested in his posts in the first place, and he isn't interested in actually learning or engaging with debate. Hence I have given up and hit the ignore button - something I very rarely do.

 

[briantrumpet]

As far as this specific thread goes, the tactic of claiming that those who oppose Netanyahu's bellicosity and inhumanity as being supporters of Hamas (or any other Palestinian political group) is how the anti-Palestinian faction has (fairly successfully) framed the debate for decades. It's really inconvenient for them that people can be opposed to both Israel's and Hamas's policies & actions, nonetheless supporting Palestinians' right to exist and have a homeland as much as Israelis do.

 

[Psamathe]

Currently, yes, they're not. The IAEA have been sharply critical of Iran's breach of the Proliferation Treaty, a treaty that Israel refused to sign incidentally.

What is there to stop Iran just pulling out of the treaty? Other countries going to sanction them? Might Israel attack them? What are the concequences that are not already happening?

I can see/wouldn't be surprised if Iran decided they now need a nuclear weapon and pulling out every option to speed to one asap.

Ian

 

[cookiemonster]

 

[CXRAndy]

What a beta male


View: https://x.com/NudderingNudnik/status/1933828349211635883?t=cmOqeGxoEuQL5GrJp0zNDw&s=19

 

[C R]

Vidkum Starmer preparing to side with the bully

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-starmer-refuses-to-rule-out-defending-israel

While everyone forgets about the genocide in Gaza

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...an-slows-diplomatic-momentum-to-halt-gaza-war

Netanyahu plays Trump and Starmer like a fiddle.

 

[First Aspect]

Disagree somewhat. He's just timed a u turn on a busy news day so it gets less attention.

 

[C R]

Disagree somewhat. He's just timed a u turn on a busy news day so it gets less attention.

I.e. played Trump and Starmer like a fiddle. The worst of it is that the British government know they are being played but are happy to go along.

 

[Psamathe]

I.e. played Trump and Starmer like a fiddle. The worst of it is that the British government know they are being played but are happy to go along.

Might get a "trade deal" that gives us extra tariffs rather than nothing that gives us ... extra tariffs.

Ian

 

[Psamathe]

I.e. played Trump and Starmer like a fiddle.

And given how Netanyahu & Putin are playing Trump like a fiddle we are indirectly being played by them as well.

Ian

 

[C R]

And given how Netanyahu & Putin are playing Trump like a fiddle we are indirectly being played by them as well.

Ian

Exactly.