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dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Yes but he is criticizing the BBC (rightly so in my view) and their reporting in regards to Israel, to which i can say agreed, but similarly for their coverage on Hamas and all the many fractions. Hell i don't think much of the poeple who only watch BBC even know how fragmented Gaza really is, no wonder but if you are an government funded news organization like the BBC the onus should be on them to provide accurate and comprehensive information.
Yes, i'm also not saying it is surprising Isreal attacked Iran, i say it is surprising an potentially an sign on the wall in terms off more things happening the background how far their first attack went, with drones attacking from inside Iran etc. taking out multiple high-ranked officers, i don't think any expert predicted that, just as the pager thing on Hezbollah.
i'm not an Iran expert, but looking at things from the outside it seems like the first signs of an regime crumbling, and/or potentially the hezbollah pagers where not the only rigged eletronics Isreali's managed to sell to the military, would be something riht? if it turns out they where able to listen in on every bit of information because Iran bought their communications devices.
There is an difference between what they(Iran says and what they might have. And all evidence was that they where trying to make these weapons, the disputed part seems to be whether they are ready to make one now or with a few years.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
There's stuff on social media showing Iranians massing in the streets, women throwing off their hijabs; not demonstrations as such I'd say, but signs of anti government public unrest again. It would be wonderful if it did all crumble quickly and peacefully but so often regime change seems to bring something that's not much better, in the short term anyway, and often at a high human cost.
C R
Guru
Re the hejab, I know from reliable sources that enforcement in most urban areas has been symbolic for some time. Those images may be from the Zan, Zendeghi, Azadi protests and being repurposed.
Pblakeney
Well-Known Member
"A fresh round of negotiations between Washington and Tehran is slated to begin on Saturday in Oman, according to news reports, amid heightened geopolitical tensions linked to rumours of an impending Israeli attack on Iran.
Following Thursday’s resolution vote by the IAEA’s board of governors – which passed by a vote of 19 for, three against and 11 abstentions - Iran’s atomic energy body reportedly announced plans to open a new uranium enrichment plant and increase production of enriched fissile material."
Those talks were scuppered by Netanyahu sending in the bombers. Bombers which will only increase Irans quest for nuclear weapons.
Best method is talks followed by sanctions if necessary. Bombs are not the solution.
matticus
Guru
I am not endorsing Israeli* actions here: I was commenting on whether the Iranian nukes are a real threat. It was stated there have been false alarums (raised by Net*nyahu) for 30 years; I pointed out that Iran has been trying to beat the nuclear arms limitations for 30 years.
*nor I am endorsing Trump's unique brand of diplomacy.
C R
Guru
They're not because they don't exist.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Maybe you missed the part where it said they have been trying to deal with Iran for 30 years a bit rich to now claim it's all down to Netanyahu doesn't it? Sure Netanyahu doesn't have much to lose, he seems to be on a quest to take down his arch enemies before going down himself.
But that doesn't mean we can ignore Iran's attitude for the past years, diplomacy is like toilet paper for this regime maybe the pressure of Isreal destroying what's left of their rocket launchers and air defence and the pressure of the US potentially joining the war is enough to finally make an deal for them that they will keep. and or make the regime crumble alltogether. (alltough Aurorasaab made and indeed excellent point that you never know what you get back.)
Pblakeney
Well-Known Member
I’m not threatened by a programme. Especially a 30 year old one.
If there is any evidence that they are getting close then that is a different story.
Real evidence, not WMD level propaganda.
I agree. I was probably too brief as when I say "... it's not about their intent" I'm thinking in terms of Israel's preemptive attacks. I believe the best, probably only way to stop them is through a negotiated agreement, one that sees benefits for both sides and thus they are ahppy about (rather then being bullied into).
Ian
There was a deal. Widely reported that Netanhayu was very strongly lobbying Trump to tear-up the deal and Trump obliged.
All knowledgeable commentators I've seen interviewed are saying that whilst not perfect, had that deal remained in place Iran would not be anything like where they are now down the nuclear weapons path.
Ian
... and the Police headquarters and the TV station. I'd certainly be questioning the threat of Iranian police force and TV station is Israel's security.
Ian
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
The part you leave out is that the UN backed atomic watchdog said they did not get enough acces to ensure the deals was adhered too properly (as somebody else linked a article too a few pages back when you recycled the same argument)
It's like some sketchy dude sells you 10 bicycles with an internal geared hub, 11 speed shimano, you see from looking it them it's problably not what your supposed to get because they look more like 7 or even 3 speeds, but the seller doesn;t allow you to check, if you say ''yeah i had a deal you would be hurt financially'' because if it are indeed 3 speeds instead of 11 the market value and driving comfort just tanked.
So why are you defending an deal that was in fact not a deal?.. (a bit what Obama did it was long before Trump 1 clear Iran was not intending on commiting)
