Let’s talk about BBC

[matticus]

From what I gather, the World Service is highly valued across much of the world by the people who don't have an impartial independent broadcaster of their own, I'd like to think that there are still enough people here who don't take that for granted. I sometimes wonder whether foriegners rate VOA as being as impartial by comparison.

This lot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

(Didn't know it existed!)

 

[Ian H]

This lot? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_of_America

(Didn't know it existed!)

The voice of US imperialism. Often used to be adversely compared to the BBC World Service (which is/was subtler propaganda).

 

[Rusty Nails]

The voice of US imperialism. Often used to be adversely compared to the BBC World Service (which is/was subtler propaganda).

What's a national radio service for if it's not for propaganda.

 

[matticus]

What's a national radio service for if it's not for propaganda.

Ahem:

"Reith summarised the BBC's purpose in three words: inform, educate, entertain; this remains part of the organisation's mission statement to this day. It has also been adopted by broadcasters throughout the world, notably the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) in the United States."

(doesn't mention VoA, admittedly ... )

 

[Rusty Nails]

Ahem:

"Reith summarised the BBC's purpose in three words: inform, educate, entertain; this remains part of the organisation's mission statement to this day. It has also been adopted by broadcasters throughout the world, notably the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS) in the United States."

(doesn't mention VoA, admittedly ... )

Propaganda can be informative, educational and entertaining. Probably more effective if it is.

 

[newfhouse]

No minutes available from the meeting between the Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and Richard Sharp, Johnson loan arranger, Tory donor, and - entirely coincidentally - subsequent BBC Chair.

 

[matticus]

No minutes available from the meeting between the Cabinet Secretary Simon Case and Richard Sharp, Johnson loan arranger, Tory donor, and - entirely coincidentally - subsequent BBC Chair.

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Well, thankyou for trying.

p.s. Gabriel Pogrund is such a cool name - you shouldn't hide it behind this ugly online pseudonym!

 

[Beebo]

Another tame comment from Gary Lineker raises the wrath of the right wing.
They can’t defend their policy so the only defence they have is to clutch their pearls and act like snowflakes. They have accused him of comparing the policy to Nazis.

So what did he say?

“This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I'm out of order?"

So he didn’t use the word Nazi, and all he compared was the “language” not the policy.

The BBC are so weak. If you listen to the propaganda spread by the government they do use language that is designed to stoke the masses with clear untruths.

 

[theclaud]

Apparently, Lineker is going to be 'spoken to' by the BBC. WTAF? They're not just 'weak', Sharp is an actual Tory stooge.

 

[icowden]

Apparently, Lineker is going to be 'spoken to' by the BBC. WTAF? They're not just 'weak', Sharp is an actual Tory stooge.

And what exactly are they going to say?

"Look Gary, we know you aren't employed by us and that what you do in your own time is up to you, but you really have got to stop criticising Tory policy or we'll have to take steps to do absolutely nothing..."

 

[multitool]

Obviously none of the shrill voices piping up in rage about Linekar would be saying a word if he had spoken in support of government asylum policy and the fascisistic language employed around it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Obviously none of the shrill voices piping up in rage about Linekar would be saying a word if he had spoken in support of government asylum policy and the fascisistic language employed around it.

Isn't that how it usually works?

Someone says something and those that disagree have a moan and those that don't, well don't?

 

[multitool]

Isn't that how it usually works?

Someone says something and those that disagree have a moan and those that don't, well don't?

This case is different because the detractors are claiming that Linekar is showing bias and should be impartial because he works for the BBC.

It doesn't take a very astute brain to realise this is nonsense. Linekar is a sports presenter, not a political journalist, and he published his remarks on Twitter, not on the BBC.

You've also got the usual thumbheads shouting that Linekar is "anti-English" etc, as if inhumane measures that break international agreements forged by Churchill are somehow quintessentially part of 'our' national identity.

 

[albion]

The outrage is a total lie.

Like mention on QT and here this is mainly a distraction from failure. That diversion heading in the the Nazi direction put the throttle down in 2016.Fact.
The other thing to note is that if asylum seeker are all underground then who it is mainly the lower classes suffer from increased crime etc.

 

[BoldonLad]

This case is different because the detractors are claiming that Linekar is showing bias and should be impartial because he works for the BBC.

It doesn't take a very astute brain to realise this is nonsense. Linekar is a sports presenter, not a political journalist, and he published his remarks on Twitter, not on the BBC.

You've also got the usual thumbheads shouting that Linekar is "anti-English" etc, as if inhumane measures that break international agreements forged by Churchill are somehow quintessentially part of 'our' national identity.

Does this mean that (say) the anti vaxxers, who were not medics, and published their views on twitter should be left to do their thing?

In this instance, I don't actually disagree with Lineker, by the way, I just don't see why his opinion should get more traction than anyone else's, just because he happened to play football, and, advertise crisps.