laurentian
Regular
Just like your internet posting record . . .
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Just like your internet posting record . . .
CXRAndy
Epic Member
Cirrus
Well-Known Member
Bloody hell, bondage as well, will the perversities never cease 😱
Psamathe
Guru
As politicians so often say "Advisers advise, Ministers decide".
My take on it, if Starmer can't appoint suitable people to properly advise him then that's a failing by Starmer. If Starmer accepts and follows bad advice then the responsibility is Starmer's not the adviser's.
And were McSweeney to go who would Glassman be pushing in as a replacement?
Rusty Nails
Country Member
I have a novel idea. Let PMs take advice on policy from their elected party colleagues not professionals like McSweeney and Cummings who don't have the courage to back their own principles by standing for election as MPs.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Good points, though it seems to have been the norm for about the last 30 years that buses are employed regularly by ministers of all parties to try to save their own skin. I think Lord Carrington was the last one who resigned without being pushed for the failings of those in his ministry.
https://www.ft.com/content/fae547fb-e24f-416a-b089-f8a2dd7c2db4
If Starmer took Glasman's advice over a replacement, we'd know that the capture by Blue Labour was complete, and that, above all else, would seal his fate with the PLP, I suspect.
Psamathe
Guru
And regard people pushing their friends forward for important posts with a lot lot lot more cynicism and questions.
Psamathe
Guru
Remember that (it transpires) Starmer believes anything he's told.
nb Can you imaging him in court prosecuting a known offender "Mi Lud, seems the case I'm making against the defendant is void as he tells he he's innocent and I believe him".
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
Given that none of the cabinet have ever helped run a private business, and so many MPs are career politicians, I really don't think that would be a good idea. Lawyers also don't seem to be good decision makers, a career path also used by many MPs.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
The FT deserves an award for their coverage of the Mandelson thing. Not sure how they are upstaging everyone else... is it just because they can read emails really quickly? 🤔
Psamathe
Guru
But at least he would be taking advice from those we elected to represent us. And we can write to our representatives to express our views and highlight pitfalls. We can't do that with the likes of McSweeney/Cummings/etc.
He might also find a less rebellious backbench and need fewer U-turns were he to actually pay any attention to them beyond notifying them how they must vote (or be thrown out of the Party).
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
CXRAndy
Epic Member
We know the proclivities of both parties, so no surprises from your suggestion
CXRAndy
Epic Member
Yet, they welcomed him in, gave him unfettered political and business access.
Act surprised doesn't really cover it now. They are all in so deep.
Profumo is a storm in a teacup
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Haha.