Mandy

[TailWindHome]

That's perfectly reasonable but we're all (or most of us) anonymous avatars on here so I don't understand your reluctance to express an opinion, unless it's only because you don't want lose face at some point in the future if (when) the PM eventually falls on his sword. I notice you liked a post by Bobsmyuncle above where he says that he thinks Starmer is lying which seems at odds with your replies to me.

I have already expressed an opinion
You just disagree with it.

 

[Shortfall]

No.
You are supposed to pick a side, nail your flag to that post, and support it regardless of facts.

There are plenty of facts to support the accusation that the PM is lying, all that there is to decide is whether he didn't actually see what everyone else can and did see or whether he's just a bumbling fool who wasn't across the details of this highly sensitive and controversial appointment. Either way it's not a good look. I don't remember you extending the same benefit of the doubt to Boris Johnson btw.

 

[Pinno718]

There are plenty of facts to support the accusation that the PM is lying, all that there is to decide is whether he didn't actually see what everyone else can and did see or whether he's just a bumbling fool who wasn't across the details of this highly sensitive and controversial appointment. Either way it's not a good look. I don't remember you extending the same benefit of the doubt to Boris Johnson btw.

Are most or all politicians corrupt?

 

[TailWindHome]

I notice you liked a post by Bobsmyuncle above where he says that he thinks Starmer is lying which seems at odds with your replies to me.

On this one you may accept my word that it's a misclick probably while scrolling that I've no recollection of and have undone

 

[Shortfall]

Are most or all politicians corrupt?

I would say that many are liars and some are corrupt. Will that do?

 

[TailWindHome]

There are plenty of facts to support the accusation that the PM is lying

Ok, what facts?

 

[Shortfall]

Ok, what facts?

See posts passim.

 

[TailWindHome]

I think we're missing a key point, that both supports Starmer's version of events but condemns him

The appointment seems to have been made *before* vetting was completed, and therefore before vetting was failed

 

[Pblakeney]

There are plenty of facts to support the accusation that the PM is lying, all that there is to decide is whether he didn't actually see what everyone else can and did see or whether he's just a bumbling fool who wasn't across the details of this highly sensitive and controversial appointment. Either way it's not a good look. I don't remember you extending the same benefit of the doubt to Boris Johnson btw.

I’ll wait until the full facts are known before forming an opinion if you don’t mind.
There were a litany of facts known about BJ.

 

[Shortfall]

I think we're missing a key point, that both supports Starmer's version of events but condemns him

The appointment seems to have been made *before* vetting was completed, and therefore before vetting was failed

Who is the Royal We? Do you mean you? This is central to the debate.

 

[TailWindHome]

See posts passim.

Posts passim are opinion more that fact

 

[Shortfall]

I’ll wait until the full facts are known before forming an opinion if you don’t mind.
There were a litany of facts known about BJ.

Fine. Do you have a gut feeling on it?

 

[AndyRM]

If he's lied about it I reckon he's done, probably via a vote of no confidence.

If he hasn't it doesn't really matter because something else will get picked up on, which is pretty much par for the course for most world leaders.

It would be good to return to a world which wasn't essentially governed by click/rage bait online where leaked "facts" from anonymous "close sources" came out before anyone really knew what the f*ck was going on, but that ship has very much sailed.

 

[TailWindHome]

Who is the Royal We? Do you mean you? This is central to the debate.

If i scroll back will I find a post saying this?

 

[CXRAndy]

Soon as Ollie Robins spills the beans that he told starmer of the failed mandleson vetting, the better for his destroyed career