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Pale Rider

Veteran
The concept of tackling the worst polluters to get the best short term results seems to me a simple one.

At least no one has bellowed 'racist' at @BoldonLad, so I suppose that's some progress from sub-CSE towards O level.

Still some way to go before genuinely grown up.
 
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willingness to suffer prison sentences for their cause. (

The two fellas who blocked the Dartford crossing climbing the bridge sentenced to several years in prison are whining about their sentence
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
I quoted your post. Bolded a line. unless there is a bug in the forum software, I don't understand your question

Ah yes. If you read again, I'm not suggesting anyone actually said that, but making a point about the doubtful logic of not using per capita figures.
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
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Ah yes. If you read again, I'm not suggesting anyone actually said that, but making a point about the doubtful logic of not using per capita figures.

OK, if that is the case. But, it is how it read to me. Not that it really matters what I think ;)
 

BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
South Tyneside
The GBeebies Baby ...

And others. 🙄

Thank you for clarifying.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
The GBeebies Baby ...

And others. 🙄

Do stop lying.

I advocated we must do all we can, but to make an overall difference it will need the major polluters to act firmly.

Apparently, an argument against that is a per capita one.

Makes no sense to me, all the players are countries under government.

Meaningful action by the governments of the most polluting countries will produce the most meaningful results.
 

Ian H

Legendary Member
Apparently, an argument against that is a per capita one.

Makes no sense to me, all the players are countries under government.

Meaningful action by the governments of the most polluting countries will produce the most meaningful results.
So a Chinese person should be expected to pollute much less than an American person simply because they live in a larger country? A country of 100k shouldn't pollute more in total than one of 10k?
Makes no sense to me.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Do stop lying.

I advocated we must do all we can, but to make an overall difference it will need the major polluters to act firmly.

Apparently, an argument against that is a per capita one.

Makes no sense to me, all the players are countries under government.

Meaningful action by the governments of the most polluting countries will produce the most meaningful results.


Aaaand.

Yet again you make it all about you, even when not mentioned.

Come back to me with your lofty 'thoughts' on all how all this should be approached, when you've spent over thirty years practically working and campaigning (with others) on this crucial issue.

Rather than being part of a deliberately obstructive populist press that has deliberately pushed the anti green, anti ecology narrative, and which made up, and still does, all kinds of denialist and obfuscatory stories about the necessary urgency of tacking climate change.

And which has spread all kinds of lies and misinformation about climate activists.

Then I might be interested, in your angle.

Meanwhile GBeebies Baby still.had his crass and ridiculous arriss handed to him by a very calm and well informed young woman at GP HQ.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
So a Chinese person should be expected to pollute much less than an American person simply because they live in a larger country? A country of 100k shouldn't pollute more in total than one of 10k?
Makes no sense to me.

The most polluting countries should be expected to do the most to reduce pollution, if the aim is to reduce global pollution.

Makes no sense to me to do otherwise.
 

deptfordmarmoset

Über Member
So a Chinese person should be expected to pollute much less than an American person simply because they live in a larger country? A country of 100k shouldn't pollute more in total than one of 10k?
Makes no sense to me.

I agree. China isn't on the top 40 per capita carbon burners and shouldn't get singled out because of their population size.

It would be useful to have diachronic figures that show which countries are climbing fastest up the death ladder. But I don't have those. I would like to know, though.

Besides, it's going to be the "jet setting" group that pollutes the most, regardless of their nationality.
 
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