Old King Coal....

[Fab Foodie]

Ooo this one's gonna run and run...

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...o-ahead-in-cumbria?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Bromptonaut]

It's a specific type of coal for a specific purpose and, in world terms, at tiny volume. If it provides employment where it's otherwise limited then what's the problem?

 

[Fab Foodie]

It's a specific type of coal for a specific purpose and, in world terms, at tiny volume. If it provides employment where it's otherwise limited then what's the problem?

For a while I thought the same, but that doesn't seem to be the case, Caroline explains it....

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-against-humanity?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

[Unkraut]

The mine’s backers have been trying to get the project off the ground since 2014.

Unintended humour!

 

[BoldonLad]

It's a specific type of coal for a specific purpose and, in world terms, at tiny volume. If it provides employment where it's otherwise limited then what's the problem?

Plus, supposedly, unless we reduce our use of steel, then, the equivalent amount of suitable coal will be imported (from Russia?) and burnt here anyway, so, total CO2 etc output in terms of coal burnt (not transported) will be the same.

 

[Beebo]

Plus, supposedly, unless we reduce our use of steel, then, the equivalent amount of suitable coal will be imported (from Russia?) and burnt here anyway, so, total CO2 etc output in terms of coal burnt (not transported) will be the same.

The article says they are looking at new ways of making Green Steel using hydrogen obtained via renewables.

I’m sure it’s years away so burning coke will be easier cheaper and quicker.

 

[C R]

Plus, supposedly, unless we reduce our use of steel, then, the equivalent amount of suitable coal will be imported (from Russia?) and burnt here anyway, so, total CO2 etc output in terms of coal burnt (not transported) will be the same.

The article says that the coke extracted from that mine has too much sulfur for the UK market, so the UK steel manufacturers will continue using Russian coke with lower sulfur content.

The output of the mine will not replace Russian coke, and the expectation is that about 85% of the output will be exported.

As for touted benefits. It will not affect British energy security as the coal is not the right type for power generation, and the number of jobs created will be relatively small.

 

[BoldonLad]

The article says that the coke extracted from that mine has too much sulfur for the UK market, so the UK steel manufacturers will continue using Russian coke with lower sulfur content.

The output of the mine will not replace Russian coke, and the expectation is that about 85% of the output will be exported.

As for touted benefits. It will not affect British energy security as the coal is not the right type for power generation, and the number of jobs created will be relatively small.

The number of jobs being touted is 500. You are right, a small number, unless, that is, you happen to be one of the 500 who get a job.

Rather like the risks quoted when considering surgery, say, for a cataract operation, 99% success, fantastic, unless that is, you happen to be in the 1%.

 

[Ian H]

It seems to be unclear who is going to buy it.
https://cumbriacrack.com/2022/05/04/ex-british-steel-boss-speaks-against-west-cumbria-coal-mine/

 

[Fab Foodie]

Smacks of some desperate measure to claim to be 'levelling-up'. Is steelmaking really a British industry of the future?

 

[Fab Foodie]

The number of jobs being touted is 500. You are right, a small number, unless, that is, you happen to be one of the 500 who get a job.

Rather like the risks quoted when considering surgery, say, for a cataract operation, 99% success, fantastic, unless that is, you happen to be in the 1%.

£160M might be better invested in Cumbria and create more and longer lasting industries....

 

[BoldonLad]

£160M might be better invested in Cumbria and create more and longer lasting industries....

True, it might be, but, if you are one of the unfortunate unemployed, particularly the young unemployed, you might have grown impatient waiting?

 

[Deleted member 28]

You should know by now 'toomuchfoodie' could never admit to anything this government does is ever a positive thing, can't wait for Labour to get in and improve our lives beyond our dreams.

 

[albion]

The article says they are looking at new ways of making Green Steel using hydrogen obtained via renewables.

I’m sure it’s years away so burning coke will be easier cheaper and quicker.

Certainly slow going. Strange as it seems, there seems to be a nuclear hydrogen bandwagon developing. Courtesy of Japan.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/En...next-generation-nuclear-tech-4-things-to-know

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

One problem is that - even if the coal was needed to make steel - then the mine will produce more that we need

so it will be sold on the international markets to whoever will pay for it

and then they can do whatever they want with it - so a lot of it will end up as fuel for power stations and the like

If it could be guaranteed that all of the coal could be guaranteed to be used purely for steel making then SOME of the Tory points could make sense
but they won't/can't do that