Pblakeney
Über Member
If the realistic prospect of drowning isn't sufficient then what do you propose that would work?
Practical, legal solutions only please. They are going to keep coming.
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Practical, legal solutions only please. They are going to keep coming.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
There have been 23 deaths and 32k arrivals so far in 2025. I think plenty of young men would risk those odds and wouldn't be tempted by the alternative of applying from France.
Automatic refusal of asylum or residency if arriving by boat would deter many but would presumably breach ECHR regs. Even so, the channel route would still remain a pull for those already refused when applying from France or who know they can't be returned once in the UK.
If there was an easy answer that was guaranteed to work someone would have thought of it already wouldn't they? I don't see having outstations for asylum applications, whether in France or elsewhere, as having much effect on the number of arrivals unless we have somewhere to return the unsuccessful applicants to.
Automatic refusal of asylum or residency if arriving by boat would deter many but would presumably breach ECHR regs. Even so, the channel route would still remain a pull for those already refused when applying from France or who know they can't be returned once in the UK.
If there was an easy answer that was guaranteed to work someone would have thought of it already wouldn't they? I don't see having outstations for asylum applications, whether in France or elsewhere, as having much effect on the number of arrivals unless we have somewhere to return the unsuccessful applicants to.
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Pblakeney
Über Member
In summary, they are going to keep coming and there is nothing we can do about it.
All uphill
Senior Member
We continue to refer to all "illegal" immigrants as problems, and certainly there are some who will be a drain on the tax payers.
In my experience, though, there are many more who can be valuable assets to any country with an aging population.
The big issue to me is the limited housing stock in this country. If we had enough housing would we really be bothered by people coming here and supporting our economy?
In my experience, though, there are many more who can be valuable assets to any country with an aging population.
The big issue to me is the limited housing stock in this country. If we had enough housing would we really be bothered by people coming here and supporting our economy?
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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One of them interviewed recently talked about the risks crossing the Channel in a cheap dinghy.
He was from Sudan. He'd crossed the Sahara, Libya and then the Med.
The Channel, little wider than plenty of estuaries, was a piece of cake.
Pblakeney
Über Member
In summary, they are going to keep coming and there is nothing we can do about it.
Beebo
Guru
This is so true.
There is no workable solution within the current regulatory framework. And nothing we can come up with will act as a deterrent.
The new arrivals will continue in ever increasing numbers and the sense of fairness seems lost to many. If the gangs were smuggling drugs in such a brazen way they would be stopped instantly.
I’m starting to come around to the fact that we need to rework the asylum framework, as it is no longer fit for purpose in the 21st century.
otherwise we run the risk that the facists will take over and do something truly awful.
icowden
Shaman
How about we test it out?
Yes, but they have to get someone to enact it. Unfortunately we have a long recent history of appointing morons to do this, quite frequently xenophobic morons.
What we need is fewer morons in politics. The only way to do that is to limit the possibility of personal enrichment via lobbying, sponsorship and gifts. Unfortunately the people who need to make that change benefit from lobbying, sponsorship and gifts...
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Sure, might be worth a try. Will be difficult to close such a scheme once you've started it though. You've also added a potential pull factor that might encourage more people to travel to France in the hope of getting to the UK.
There'll be no assistance with making your UK asylum application in France so there's still an incentive to get to the UK first and make your lawyer assisted claim here, and have your lawyer assisted appeal if you're not successful first time.
icowden
Shaman
You're right. If only we could invent some sort of mass messaging service so that those so qualified could contact anyone in the world within a split second to give advice and exchange documents. If only there was some sort of way of showing moving images and audio so that people could see and hear each other anywhere in the world to provide assistance and advice.
Someone should really work on that. It could be a game changer.
PurplePenguin
Active Member
The Australian approach was successful which is why the Tories were looking at Rwanda. In general though it is not easy which is why governments continue to struggle. Many of the proposals that are put forward here simply don't work e.g. just send them back to France, Iran etc.
icowden
Shaman
Depends how you define "success"
If operating an offshore concentration camp is your definition of "success", then yes, it's a success.
Psamathe
Veteran
Plus the high cost, money which those crossing often don't have ... Applying in France not only safer but a lot lot cheaper.
Psamathe
Veteran
It would be a lot less emotive an issue if our politicians would stop calling them "illegal", They (or the majority) are refugees seeking asylum. Politicians are inflaming public opinion by continually using "illegal".
With regard to drain on tax payers, we could always allow them to work whilst the await a decision on their asylum claim as in much (all?) of the EU. No more hotels for people to shout at, significantly less drain on tax payers, etc. That Farangê might not like it ... well he doesn't seem to like anything except Trumpton and he should not be stopping us from doing what is right.