Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[briantrumpet]

Sam Freedman debunking Matt Goodwin's analysis. He might also question why the young people are leaving Brexit Britain and the reduced opportunities it offers in the insularity from the EU that Brexit championed.

 

[All uphill]

Sam Freedman debunking Matt Goodwin's analysis. He might also question why the young people are leaving Brexit Britain and the reduced opportunities it offers in the insularity from the EU that Brexit championed.

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But, as you know, the facts are not the persuasive factor.

 

[briantrumpet]

But, as you know, the facts are not the persuasive factor.

It's the vibes, innit?!

 

[Psamathe]

Sam Freedman debunking Matt Goodwin's analysis. He might also question why the young people are leaving Brexit Britain and the reduced opportunities it offers in the insularity from the EU that Brexit championed.

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From the Reform post being debunked
""The people who are leaving Britain are not British pensioners retiring to the Costa Del Sol."

Maybe if we'd stayed as an EU member more retired people would be emigrating to Costa Del Sol?

Noting that retired people get state pensions and those resident in the UK spend those in the UK most of the money from the Government getting back to the Government (income tax, VAT from buying goods, corporation tax on those shops where pensioners spend their state pension, etc., etc.) Pensioners relocating to Costa Del Sol spend their UK State Pension in Spain, taxed in Spain, buy stuff in Spanish shops supporting Spanish jobs in retail, hospitality, etc.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I didn't realise that buffoon ex Tory MP Jonathan Gullis had popped up as a Reform Councillor and Reform leader on the Council in Newcastle-Under-Lyme. Unsurprisingly he has already announced their intention to cancel all planned Net Zero initiatives calling them "political virtue signalling". I don't care what side of the political spectrum people are on, but when we start electing uninformed political ideologues into positions of power, we are all in serious trouble.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I didn't realise that buffoon ex Tory MP Jonathan Gullis had popped up as a Reform Councillor and Reform leader on the Council in Newcastle-Under-Lyme. Unsurprisingly he has already announced their intention to cancel all planned Net Zero initiatives calling them "political virtue signalling". I don't care what side of the political spectrum people are on, but when we start electing uninformed political ideologues into positions of power, we are all in serious trouble.

What do you mean 'start'? We've done it this way for years, it's just the ideologies that change.

 

[Pblakeney]

Sam Freedman debunking Matt Goodwin's analysis. He might also question why the young people are leaving Brexit Britain and the reduced opportunities it offers in the insularity from the EU that Brexit championed.

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Is there any point in highlighting that our "best and brightest" cannot be replaced by "low-income, low skill, and poorly educated"?
Or if they can then that is highlighting other issues.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

What do you mean 'start'? We've done it this way for years, it's just the ideologies that change.

It's not an ideology though it's being an ideologue, adhering to a particular belief without compromise and no capacity for change. Every politician will follow an ideology, but there is also room for pragmatism within their beliefs with the majority (especially with votes at stake!). Someone like Gullis, and ideologues on either side of the spectrum have no interest in reasoned debate or compromise.

 

[briantrumpet]

For someone who is politically quite astute, one has to wonder why Farage is crawling up towards Vance's colon by retweeting Vance's anti-UK & EU stuff. He's not even really popular with Reform voters.

 

[Pinno718]

Reform UK's brush with 'Britain's biggest benefits thief'​

[LBC sticks the knife in after a bit of investigation]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5NxwAWqJy8
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[Pinno718]

...one has to wonder why Farage is crawling up towards Vance's colon by retweeting Vance's anti-UK & EU stuff. He's not even really popular with Reform voters.

Turds have to find their way home surely?

 

[Pinno718]

More Sunday popcorn:

Reform councillors admit they don’t know what they’re doing.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edLVAuLhoc8

 

[briantrumpet]

More Sunday popcorn:

Reform councillors admit they don’t know what they’re doing.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edLVAuLhoc8

Having had a look at Kirklees Council's website, it is the model of clarity for public and councillors, and it took me about 5 minutes to do the homework she should have done. She's either very dim or hasn't even made an effort at all.

 

[Pblakeney]

Having had a look at Kirklees Council's website, it is the model of clarity for public and councillors, and it took me about 5 minutes to do the homework she should have done. She's either very dim or hasn't even made an effort at all.

It doesn't have to be either or.

 

[briantrumpet]

It doesn't have to be either or.

Tru dat. I think that might be the case for quite a few of the Reform intake, despite the 'rigorous vetting'. Possibly the more charitable opinion is that they haven't been well educated, given what we know about lack of education and likelihood of voting for Brexit/Reform.