Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I suspect nothing will.

He has announced he will be making a statement on his future in public life at 2pm. Could go either way I guess so won't get my hopes up.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I reckon this one could be damaging if his reactions are anything to go by - he doesn't usually lose his rag like this so they could well be onto something. However lefties should be careful what they wish for as Farage effectively is Reform and if he goes/gets badly damaged then the Tories could well end up being the beneficiaries of that.

If we actually return to a sensible Tory party that is moderately centre right I have no issue with that. It is the Reform chasing extreme version they have become that is the problem (as Labour also became on certain policy positions).

 

[Stevo 666]

If we actually return to a sensible Tory party that is moderately centre right I have no issue with that. It is the Reform chasing extreme version they have become that is the problem (as Labour also became on certain policy positions).

Depends on where you sit on the political spectrum. For lefties the Tories will always be too far right.

 

[Pinno718]

There was enough shite sticking to Trump to stink the universe twice over, and yet he got reelected. Watch the vox pop with Clacton voters in the sky piece I linked. Farage's supporters do not care about the stink, they positively revel on it.

The MAGA sphere grew - it was much more multifaceted. Trump ran on the lie 'no more wars' and 'draining the swamp'. He was relatively benign in his first term and many voters saw a continuation of that and their embedded scepticism of the 'deep state'. Fagash hasn't the charisma - even the right wing press, Torygraph included, aren't backing him and Reform to the same degree.
His lever - the continuing increase in immigration has been blunted because the numbers are well down. Starmer, for all the criticism, has pulled that one off. Restore UK has sucked some of his supporters away and I also think that signing failed Tory's wasn't a good move. BoJo pulled out of it citing Boris Johnson has effectively ruled out joining Reform UK, criticizing the party's economic policies, its stance on NATO, and its approach to national security. Reform UK has reciprocated, with party leadership explicitly rejecting any political alliance and criticizing Johnson's immigration record and high public spending during his premiership.
I honestly think that the establishment do not Trust Fagash; certainly not the military.

Trump has been so corrupt and inept, Fagash's relationship in the public eye becomes more spurious every day that he doesn't distance himself from the mess occurring across the pond - and he can't; he's inextricably linked to it. It will be a constant source of media questions. I think Fagash is becoming a clownish figure, a source of salacious news but increasingly, less likely to have a majority to 'lead' the country.

 

[Pinno718]

He has announced he will be making a statement on his future in public life at 2pm. Could go either way I guess so won't get my hopes up.

Popcorn time?

 

[icowden]

Depends on where you sit on the political spectrum. For lefties the Tories will always be too far right.

But everyone that you think is a lefty isn't actually a lefty.

As I've pointed out before - the Conservatives do best when they are centre-right. Major was fine. Cameron was fine up until he lost the plot with Brexit. Blair did well by occupying the same ground.

 

[Pross]

Depends on where you sit on the political spectrum. For lefties the Tories will always be too far right.

Guess I've lost my official leftie tag then. They were always my Party of choice. If Farage quits Reform will hopefully struggle and then with a bit of luck the other Parties will realise they no longer need to go chasing their policies and we can get a reset of politics (ideally with the major Parties having had enough of a fright to start listening to the public and addressing the policies that matter most to them rather than what some right-wing extremists have been pushing). I won't hold my breath on any of this though.

 

[Stevo 666]

But everyone that you think is a lefty isn't actually a lefty.

The demonstrates my point quite well, ironically.

 

[Pross]

He has announced he will be making a statement on his future in public life at 2pm. Could go either way I guess so won't get my hopes up.

He's probably found all this work as a MP far too much and decided to call it a day to go off making money as a rent-a-gob in areas with less scrutiny. Not sure his backers generous friends would be happy though.

 

[Pblakeney]

He's probably found all this work as a MP far too much and decided to call it a day to go off making money as a rent-a-gob in areas with less scrutiny. Not sure his backers generous friends would be happy though.

This.
He is a grifter, pure and simple as that.

 

[Pblakeney]

I'm just being realistic. It was the same with Trump, and look where we are. We are going to be suffering these feckers and their supporters for a very long time.

Oh, I agree. I was hypothesising his response.
Hopefully we won't be suffering them up to the election.

 

[Stevo 666]

Guess I've lost my official leftie tag then. They were always my Party of choice. If Farage quits Reform will hopefully struggle and then with a bit of luck the other Parties will realise they no longer need to go chasing their policies and we can get a reset of politics (ideally with the major Parties having had enough of a fright to start listening to the public and addressing the policies that matter most to them rather than what some right-wing extremists have been pushing). I won't hold my breath on any of this though.

Well done on that first point.

Although several people on here talk about 'chasing the Reform vote' - I see it as more of chasing what the voters want.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Trump has been so corrupt and inept, Fagash's relationship in the public eye becomes more spurious every day that he doesn't distance himself from the mess occurring across the pond - and he can't; he's inextricably linked to it. It will be a constant source of media questions. I think Fagash is becoming a clownish figure, a source of salacious news but increasingly, less likely to have a majority to 'lead' the country.

Funny thing is Trump really doesn't like Farage and Vance downright depises him. Boris got a "gold seat" during Trump's inauguration, Farage was among the normal crowd.

He's probably found all this work as a MP far too much and decided to call it a day to go off making money as a rent-a-gob in areas with less scrutiny. Not sure his backers generous friends would be happy though.

Yeah about the same way he exited Ukip alltough he was never an MP there best of my knowledge the recipe is the same Farage starts something with big promises and when he either comes under scrutiny or it turns out his promises fail again, he weasels out not afraid to burn other while leaving. (like claiming Ukip was taken over by "extremistst at the time)

Depends on where you sit on the political spectrum. For lefties the Tories will always be too far right.

Does it really matter currently, Tories do what billionaire tory sponsors want, Labour does what billionaire labour sponsors want. none of it is really in public interest.

 

[Stevo 666]

Labour does what billionaire labour sponsors want. none of it is really in public interest.

I didn't know that the union barons were billionaires.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Although several people on here talk about 'chasing the Reform vote' - I see it as more of chasing what the voters want.

No, it's what Reform voters want, unless you are suggesting that only people who agree with Reform are meaningful voters?