Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

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monkers

Shaman
''Nigel Mirage'' hahahaha.

From what I understand from others who had lived in the areas of both Clacton and Dagenham - both Clacton and Southend were traditional holiday destinations for Ford blue collar workers based at Dagenham, while Frinton was the destination for Ford white collar workers. Frinton is within the Clacton constituency.

When the Ford Dagenham plant was fully operational, it employed some 40 000 or so people in the Barking and Dagenham area. Alongside this the BNP were active and elected as local council members. When the plant all but closed, many of those workers took and used their redundancy pay to move to those holiday destinations where some already had holiday chalets and caravans. Clacton therefore had an influx of those BNP voters with redundancy payments and pretty good Ford pensions. Their voting instincts may tend to flow from there.

Due to the history outlined above, there was some animosity between Clacton and Frinton from the workers v managers mindset that had prevailed. Frinton had tended to be a traditional Tory place with a resident association known as the 'Terrible Twelve' with a fearsome reputation for resistance. The local joke was once that they should be sent to Afghanistan to sort out the Taliban. Maybe due to the collapse of Tory support at about the time of the last general election, Frinton joined Clacton in becoming more Reform voting.

The gentleman in the video clip does seem to have a local accent, and not one from the Dagenham area. Also at his age he is less likely to be so.

My English granny (I say that as until recently I had an Irish one too) would have been 96 now. During Brexit she complained that it was her generation [edit; being blamed] for voting Leave. Her point was that it was not those born in the war years that had that mindset, but their children who she used to say were ''children with minds poisoned by Thatcher''. Certainly when you see how yougov for example bundle all those age 65+ into a single cohort, she may have had a point.
 
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midlandsgrimpeur

Prostrate Member
Based on most of the people I know who voted Reform, I would guess that a significant proportion did not vote FOR Reform, but, AGAINST whichever party they previously supported. My personal view is that Reform support is not nearly as "solid" as the media have (until now) led us to believe.

Latest YouGov poll puts Farage at -46 approval (Badenoch is only -11!). I suspect that if he goes down, the whole house of cards falls around him. I think this may be why Burnham has gone all in to become PM. He knew the next 12-18 months were crucial to have any chance of seeing off Reform and that Farage was losing popularity (whilst knowing there was little to no chance that Starmer was going to topple Farage). The little bits of good news policy that Burnham has already announced clearly have an appeal to those Labour may have lost under Starmer. I might have said this before, but if Reform do end up losing the media favouritism then I really think they are stuffed.
 

midlandsgrimpeur

Prostrate Member

It's all there for those who want to look hard enough and always has been (If only Carole Cadwalladr and a few others had been listened to years ago). Farage is basically Al Capone and he is going to be undone in exactly the same way. As has been said previously, follow the money with these crooks, it is always the thing that undoes them.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Timewaster
It's just the most remarkable coincidence, dontcha fink?

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Ian H

Shaman
I've mentioned him before, but the parallels with Horatio Bottomley are fascinating.
Horatio William Bottomley (23 March 1860 – 26 May 1933) was an English financier, journalist, editor, newspaper proprietor, swindler, and Member of Parliament. He is best known for his editorship of the popular magazine John Bull, and for his nationalistic oratory during the First World War. His career came to a sudden end when, in 1922, he was convicted of fraud and sentenced to seven years' imprisonment..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Bottomley
 
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BoldonLad

Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
Location
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I've mentioned him before, but the parallels with Horatio Bottomley are fascinating.
Horatio William Bottomley (23 March 1860 – 26 May 1933) was an English financier, journalist, editor, newspaper proprietor, swindler, and Member of Parliament. He is best known for his editorship of the popular magazine John Bull, and for his nationalistic oratory during the First World War. His career came to a sudden end when, in 1922, he was convicted of fraud and sentenced to seven years' imprisonment..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Bottomley

Interesting guy.

Definitely more claim to be "working class" that any of our recent senior Politicians, he seems to have managed significant "social mobility"
 
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