icowden
Shaman
So if the Conservatives failed to reduce that spending and the Labour party failed to reduce that spending, doesn't it rather suggest that the spending cannot be reduced?
Reform, and the death of the Tory Party
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So if the Conservatives failed to reduce that spending and the Labour party failed to reduce that spending, doesn't it rather suggest that the spending cannot be reduced?
BoldonLad
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Spending, and Investment are not the same thing.
Pross
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But spending on infrastructure improvements / maintenance is generally investment as well. The longer you leave critical infrastructure without spending money on it the more it costs in the long run. We are already probably beyond the watershed on many roads for example where relatively cheap maintenance is no longer an option and large sections of road need resurfacing or full reconstruction as budgets for things like patching work or clearing drains were cut.
Psamathe
Veteran
Some years back I had to take somebody to County Court pursuring a significant amount. I checked with solicitor before case about what would happen if the person I was pursuing moved their house into partner's name, transfered bank balances to partner/friends, etc. Solicitor said they could do that but courts woud look at recent'ish transactions and seek to recover cash/assets from the recipients. (I won she hadn't transfered assets).
But I can't see how Mone and her companies has spent the money and not just converted into assets. Declaring dividends should (according to my solicitor several years back) be recoverable should laws have been broken.
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briantrumpet
Guru
Let's hope so.
icowden
Shaman
They might be recoverable from the British Company and possibly even from the shell company in the Cayman islands, but that only acts a distributor for the 3 companies based in the British Virgin Islands which funnel money into the Monaco bank account.
I'd imagine.
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briantrumpet
Guru
It really is curious why the UK press is so incurious en masse about Farage's links with Putin's Russia. (Mind you, they didn't really go after Johnson and his links via Lebedev and Lebedev's father either.) You'd have thought there would have been more interest following the recent conviction of a Reform MEP/Senedd MP.
Now would be a good time, and given Farage's media profile, it would certainly generate clicks.
Now would be a good time, and given Farage's media profile, it would certainly generate clicks.
midlandsgrimpeur
Active Member
Particularly given that a central point of Reform's message is about putting British people and British interests front and centre, patriotism, removal of foreign influence at a political level and so on. You would have thought that collusion with a rogue foreign state by a senior party member that completely undermined everything Reform pitches to the electorate would be quite a significant story. Funny it doesn't seem to be, yet Kier Starmer received some suits and concert tickets and it was front and centre on the news for a couple of weeks. Almost as if some media outlets were selective in the way they choose to portray certain political parties and figures.....
Pross
Well-Known Member
But Farage is the political wing of the message they want to spread, why would they do anything to hurt that?
C R
Guru
Legitimate concerns and defending British women
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25497144.worcesters-england-flags-row-abuse-reported-police/
Worcester woman harassed online for objecting to a flag outside her house.
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news/25497144.worcesters-england-flags-row-abuse-reported-police/
Worcester woman harassed online for objecting to a flag outside her house.
Stevo 666
Veteran
I don't think so. Labour failed because enough left wing MPs opposed I that Starmer backed down. Not because there is nothing to cut.
Look at it another way: public spending has risen year on year for a very long time now (maybe eith the odd blip bimut the long term trend is clear). How on earth did we survive back then?
Pross
Well-Known Member
Why do you keep ignoring that it was there under the Tories? Why didn't they cut the spending? You are so myopic it's unbelievable.
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briantrumpet
Guru
I find it quite amusing that you think it's worth asking.
Pross
Well-Known Member
On one hand he accepts it has been a growing issue for years, on the other he criticises Labour for not sorting it out within a year but overlooks that the Tories also failed to do so in the previous 14 years. It's completely bizarre.
