Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[icowden]

Is that so?, odd that they should be present in many of the Christian sects.

Not that odd given the church's insistence on only appointing men and telling them that they have to be celibate cos God says so. Turns out that isolating men and teaching them that having one off the wrist is a sin isn't very good for your mental health, or attracts the wrong kind of people.

 

[briantrumpet]

Not that odd given the church's insistence on only appointing men and telling them that they have to be celibate cos God says so. Turns out that isolating men and teaching them that having one off the wrist is a sin isn't very good for your mental health, or attracts the wrong kind of people.

They ought to read Men's Health more often.

 

[Psamathe]

The whole thread was relentless in its bitterness.

Whilst I was participating there were parts with too much bitterness there were also some interesting facts quoted (with reliable sources) that I found helpful and actually I adjusted my views on the subject.

I think the problems came as some were not considering the responses of others but doggedly repeating unfounded stance.

I departed the thread as I'd made my points, read and considered the points others were making and adjusted my views and for me it had got to the point of nothing productive.

Argument and insults are not a rarity on internet forums. One cycling forum I used to participate on had a horrendous bout of insults that made the gender thread look like a summer picnic and that thread was discussing QR levers (moderators did step in and it's no longer available for historic interest)..

 

[briantrumpet]

One cycling forum I used to participate on had a horrendous bout of insults that made the gender thread look like a summer picnic and that thread was discussing QR levers (moderators did step in and it's no longer available for historic interest)..

Yebbut QR levers, I mean... understandable.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I departed the thread as I'd made my points, read and considered the points others were making and adjusted my views and for me it had got to the point of nothing productive.

Exactly.

After 20k posts there is absolutely nothing more to say other than regurgitate the same old arguments.

I believe I did learn a lot in the early weeks of the thread but after that it got too polarised.

 

[briantrumpet]

This is a delightfully detailed takedown of the first five chapters of Goodwin's apparently AI-sourced book.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2035669425567744140.html

Ha. Though The Critic is more sympathetic to Goodwin's POV, it absolutely savages the book in pretty much all other aspects, not least as he does a rubbish job of arguing his POV.

https://thecritic.co.uk/suicide-of-an-authors-credibility/

“Slop” is an overused term but it feels painfully appropriate for a book that is spoon fed to its audience. Goodwin, who had a long academic career before becoming a successful commentator, is not a man who lacks intelligence. But he writes as if he thinks his audience lacks it. “I did not write this book for the ruling class,” writes Goodwin, “I wrote it for the forgotten majority.” Alas, he seems to think that the average member of the “forgotten majority” has the reading level of a dimwitted 12-year-old. As well as being stylistically simple, the book is full of annoying paternal asides. “In the pages ahead I shall walk you through what is happening to the country …” “In the next chapter we will begin our journey …” Thank you, Mr Goodwin. Can we stop for ice cream?

The book is terribly derivative, with a title that reflects Pat Buchanan’s Suicide of a Superpower and a subtitle — “Immigration, Islam, Identity” — that all but repeats that of Douglas Murray’s The Strange Death of Europe — “Immigration, Identity, Islam”. It is written in the humourless and colourless rhetorical style of AI. I’m not saying it was AI-generated. (Indeed, a brief assessment using AI checkers suggests that it was not.) I’m just saying that it might as well have been.

 

[briantrumpet]

They ought to read Men's Health more often.

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I was going to apologise, thinking that this was out of place, but then realised how appropriate it is in a thread about Reform, which is populated by...

 

[Mr Celine]

Did you fall asleep in history lessons?

The King is the literal head of the Church of England, a branch of Christianity. Christian holidays are widely celebrated and days off to celebrate are enshrined in law. Britain is literally a Christian Country as it is enshrined in our monarchy and laws.

I presume that what you intended to mean was the people of Britain are no longer majority Christian - which is true, as we have a broadly secular society.

England ≠ Britain.

Chic III is not head of the Church of Scotland.

 

[Ian H]

I was going to apologise, thinking that this was out of place, but then realised how appropriate it is in a thread about Reform, which is populated by...

Mass debaters?

 

[Ian H]

England ≠ Britain.

Chic III is not head of the Church of Scotland.

Nor of Wales, which is disestablished, despite the efforts of the antidisestablishmentarians.

 

[Mr Celine]

Nor of Wales, which is disestablished, despite the efforts of the antidisestablishmentarians.

How long have you been waiting to use that word?

 

[briantrumpet]

How long have you been waiting to use that word?

About 25 letters, I guess.

 

[BoldonLad]

Not that odd given the church's insistence on only appointing men and telling them that they have to be celibate cos God says so. Turns out that isolating men and teaching them that having one off the wrist is a sin isn't very good for your mental health, or attracts the wrong kind of people.

Isn't that only one of the sects?, pretty sure the Archbishop of Canterbury is a woman, and, plenty of women in the other sects, like Methodist etc, I even know a Catholic Priest who is married, although, he did have to quit and become a Social Worker, after he was found out.

 

[briantrumpet]

Farage: "Bomb Iran!"

Farage: "How dare Iranians flee war!"

 

[icowden]

Isn't that only one of the sects?, pretty sure the Archbishop of Canterbury is a woman, and, plenty of women in the other sects, like Methodist etc, I even know a Catholic Priest who is married, although, he did have to quit and become a Social Worker, after he was found out.

I'm pretty sure that women were only allowed to be Bishops 9 years ago and women clergy have only been allowed since 1992.