Starmer's vision quest

[Shortfall]

"Never got to grips with Brexit" - you make it sound like it was just one of those unlucky things, like covid, that happened to pop along at an unfortunate time, rather than being authored by the Tories from the outset. Johnson didn't give a flying fig about anything other than his own ambition. Truss is mad. Cameron was careless with the Brexit referendum to the point of negligence, May tried to square an impossible circle, and Sunak disappointed everyone, not least several Cakestoppers who initially thought he might steady the ship and be vaguely competent rather than just trolling Labour and doing nothing useful. Every party is going to make mistakes, but this was a full catalogue of them.

Have I left anything out?

Nearly the whole of the front bench and PM were Remainers but the Parliamentary Party and the wider membership were in favour of leaving. I don't want to rehash this debate again but Cameron handled it badly to try and fight off his back benchers and Farage. There was lots of support for Brexit in The Labour Party and Corbyn was as pro leave as the most rabid of The ERG members so I wouldn't say it was necessarily a party political divide.

 

[briantrumpet]

Nearly the whole of the front bench and PM were Remainers but the Parliamentary Party and the wider membership were in favour of leaving. I don't want to rehash this debate again but Cameron handled it badly to try and fight off his back benchers and Farage. There was lots of support for Brexit in The Labour Party and Corbyn was as pro leave as The most rabid of The ERG members.

Not arguing with any of that. It is quite amusing if I occasionally stick my head above the parapet on Bluesky and say that Corbyn was in favour of Brexit, and only toed the party line reluctantly, so bears some of the blame.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Lots of posts asking for Trump to come and do the same for the UK

I wonder if Trump would let Starmer know he's coming to get him 🤔

Never mind hiding behind lots of posts presumably on X, but would you welcome Trump doing this?

 

[CXRAndy]

Honestly

Yes

Thats how bad it's got

 

[Rusty Nails]

So you would like the head of another country to take down the democratically elected government of an ally, whose governments have always supported them, often mistakenly in my view?

Does this apply to any powerful country who wants to depose the government of any country you dislike, or just any country run by Trump?

 

[Rusty Nails]

I find it very strange @CXRAndy that you voted for Brexit to regain our 'sovereignty' and control over our own affairs, but are quite happy to cede that sovereignty to a country that now admits it has only it's own interests at heart.

 

[C R]

I find it very strange @CXRAndy that you voted for Brexit to regain our 'sovereignty' and control over our own affairs, but are quite happy to cede that sovereignty to a country that now has only it's own interests at heart.

You're wasting your breath.

 

[Rusty Nails]

You're wasting your breath.

I may be but it is giving us a glimpse of his blind allegiance to anything that comes out of Trump, his illogicality and his lack of understanding of the implications of such a move to the wider world by the example it sets.
It puts his parroting of posts from X and other dodgy sites into context.

 

[Pblakeney]

It puts his parroting of posts from X and other dodgy sites into context.

Yeah but everyone is aware of that context except him. And he doesn't care.

 

[briantrumpet]

Yeah but everyone is aware of that context except him. And he doesn't care.

He knows that MAGA love gets reactions. And he does care about them.

 

[Pblakeney]

...meanwhile there is a little footnote in the news that we have been bombing ISIS in Syria.
I thought we had peace in the Middle East. Fairly sure I was told that just yesterday.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Honestly

Yes

Thats how bad it's got

Really? You would prefer to live under the rule from a third party state that has zero regard for the best interests of the country, than under a democratically elected government? (even a cr@p one).
I don't believe you are THAT stupid.
As I said elsewhere, next time the Tangoed one pops over to Turnberry, is it OK for the UK to arrest him and send him to the Hague for trial at the ICC?

 

[CXRAndy]

Yes, anything compared to Starmer. Trump helping the UK rid us of him would be preferred

 

[AndyRM]

That's genuinely bonkers thinking on so many levels...

 

[bobzmyunkle]

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