Starmer's vision quest
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CXRAndy
Epic Member
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
They probably correctly believe that the population of the UK is growing year by year which means that yes, immigration to the UK continues to rise.
Are you suggesting the population of the UK is now shrinking?
Rusty Nails
Country Member
2/3 of voters think the other half are wrong.
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
There is a massive industry devoted to misinforming angry cretins.
In fact I think we may even have some of their number amongst us.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
Comparison - does a fall in inflation mean prices are falling?
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Number of immigrants in the UK ≠ 'immigration', as you well know. "Immigration continues to rise" has never meant the total living here.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Well, you've just spiked your argument. Fall in inflation ≠ fall in prices, in the same way that fall in immigrants ≠ fall in immigration. Amazing the difference in meaning that different words make.
First Aspect
Guru
Not quite. That is due to happen by about 2030.
You guys really need to listen to Radio 4.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
You stated that 2/3 of the population think immigration is still rising.
Well news for you Brian, the population of the UK continues to rise, due to net immigration, not because our birth rate has suddenly exploded.
So they are correct.
The rate of increase in immigration is falling though.
Maybe you need to stick to music t=rather than numbers and arrogantly dissing the majority of the population, as is your regular wont.
First Aspect
Guru
Um, can I diplomatically point out that Brian is correct?
You are confusing the number of immigrants in the population with the rate of immigration. Sorry.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Immigration has *never* meant the number of immigrants in this country. I do words, and I know what they mean. I also do music, amongst other things.
Dorset Boy
Well-Known Member
No I'm not.
The rate of immigration is falling.
Total immigration is not falling.
Just like the rate of inflation falling does not mean prices are not increasing.
Perhaps better clarity on the words used might help.
briantrumpet
Timewaster
Here ya go. Words have meanings. It's the action of coming in. Not of being a resident immigrant. That's called being an immigrant. Amazingly.
CXRAndy
Epic Member
In the year to mid-2024 (the most recent period with detailed full breakdown):
The population grew by over 755,000 people — the second-largest annual numerical increase in more than 75 years.
This took the total from ~68.5 million (mid-2023) to ~69.3 million (mid-2024).
Net international migration (people arriving minus those leaving) was the dominant driver, accounting for 98% of the growth at around 739,000 people (with ~1.24 million immigrating and ~497,000 emigrating).
Natural change added only a tiny fraction (~16,000), as there were slightly more births (~662,000) than deaths (~646,000) — but birth numbers were at their lowest in at least 42 years.
By the year to mid-2025, net migration fell sharply to 204,000 (with ~898,000 immigrating and ~693,000 emigrating), reflecting recent policy changes that reduced inflows (especially non-EU work and study visas) and increased outflows. Even so, migration remains the main reason the population continues to grow at all, since natural change is now close to zero or slightly negative in some projections.
The population grew by over 755,000 people — the second-largest annual numerical increase in more than 75 years.
This took the total from ~68.5 million (mid-2023) to ~69.3 million (mid-2024).
Net international migration (people arriving minus those leaving) was the dominant driver, accounting for 98% of the growth at around 739,000 people (with ~1.24 million immigrating and ~497,000 emigrating).
Natural change added only a tiny fraction (~16,000), as there were slightly more births (~662,000) than deaths (~646,000) — but birth numbers were at their lowest in at least 42 years.
By the year to mid-2025, net migration fell sharply to 204,000 (with ~898,000 immigrating and ~693,000 emigrating), reflecting recent policy changes that reduced inflows (especially non-EU work and study visas) and increased outflows. Even so, migration remains the main reason the population continues to grow at all, since natural change is now close to zero or slightly negative in some projections.
