Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

Legendary Member
 

CXRAndy

Legendary Member
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tarric

Regular
Read the link, thats what it says. If you disagree let's see your evidence.

You don't think this is anything to do with Labour policy such as the employers NI hike?

I can read the link as often as I like, just because someone writes something down it does not make it true, which is the case in this instance.

It may it may not, but vacancies have falling every month since there post pandemic peak in May 2022
 

First Aspect

Über Member
Butbutbut they were leaving in droves, the Daily Mail and Telegraph said so.
 

Stevo 666

Über Member
I can read the link as often as I like, just because someone writes something down it does not make it true, which is the case in this instance.

It may it may not, but vacancies have falling every month since there post pandemic peak in May 2022

As you say, just because someone writes something doesn't make it true. Shall I apply that to your second sentence?

Here's something about the job market from the Guardian if you prefer that source:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-hiring-as-economic-slowdown-hits-jobs-market
The reason for the falling vacancy rate is explained in that: "
Giving a strong indication of employers’ reluctance to hire new staff, the vacancy rate fell by 44,000. The drop of more than 5% in the three months to June on the previous quarter was the 37th consecutive fall in vacancies and took the total to well below pre-pandemic levels at 718,000. The ONS said its research “suggests some firms may not be recruiting new workers or replacing workers who have left”."

Here's something else from the ONS showing the number of payrolled employees is falling:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment

Any thoughts on those?
 

bobzmyunkle

Über Member
As you say, just because someone writes something doesn't make it true. Shall I apply that to your second sentence?

Here's something about the job market from the Guardian if you prefer that source:
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...-hiring-as-economic-slowdown-hits-jobs-market
The reason for the falling vacancy rate is explained in that: "
Giving a strong indication of employers’ reluctance to hire new staff, the vacancy rate fell by 44,000. The drop of more than 5% in the three months to June on the previous quarter was the 37th consecutive fall in vacancies and took the total to well below pre-pandemic levels at 718,000. The ONS said its research “suggests some firms may not be recruiting new workers or replacing workers who have left”."

Here's something else from the ONS showing the number of payrolled employees is falling:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peoplenotinwork/unemployment

Any thoughts on those?

This one's a bit more positive @Stevo 666, surprised you missed it.
https://www.theguardian.com/busines...flatlining-slowdown-tax-rises-trump-trade-war
 

Stevo 666

Über Member
Oooh….
From the FT this morning..
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So the departures are just in line with official forecasts according to that article. But still departures.

Interestingly the same paper ran an article about a significant ant increase in UK company directors leaving the country. A quick google will show that, although its now paywalled.
https://www.ft.com/content/a3fc89ea-6e9a-4795-9d42-e555551d0a0f

There's a similar one in The Times
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/company-leave-labour-tax-rises-c6k5t2b37

Of course some of you will ignore this evidence because it doesn't fit the narrative.
 

Stevo 666

Über Member
There is also an implicit recognition in some of the posts above that we need these people to stay I'm the UK, otherwise why gloat about the first article you have found in months that says things aren't quite as bad as some people thought?
 

Stevo 666

Über Member
Fake news unless it's from the paper of record, The Daily Telegraph.

If you say so Brian 😊

The earlier worst case scenario was (IIRC) that 25% of non-doms would leave the UK: the latest figures appear to be saying it will be lower, not that they are all staying. A recent article in the Guardian say that these reduced figures reported by the FT suggest that it wont be as bad (as the worst case forecasts). So a degree of scepticism is required I think.

Let's also remember in this excitement that there are other high contributing taxpayers who are leaving who are not non-doms, such as company directors as mentioned in my link above.

Let's face it, we are becoming less attractive as a destination for investment and investors and there are quite a few countries out there who are competing for it.
 
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