Starmer's vision quest

[C R]

Would mean he has to leave his tax haven (Monaco) and start paying some UK taxes. Isn't going to happen.

He's sorry that his language offended some people.

 

[Pblakeney]

He's sorry that his language offended some people.

Was he speaking English in Monaco?

 

[C R]

Was he speaking English in Monaco?

Ah, yep, that's probably what he is apologising for.

 

[Dorset Boy]

Ratcliffe supported Labour at the last election....

 

[Bromptonaut]

Have I missed something?, when did Gove become an authority on anything, wasn't he part of the previous rubbish Government?

He beggared education in his own image.

But as Lord Chancellor after Grayling screwed everything he touched he did a damn good job.

 

[BoldonLad]

The point being made is that a lot of the rw commentards that are frothing about what a bad idea it was to appoint Mandelson, are on record as having endorsed the appointment quite enthusiastically at the time. No one is saying that these people are worth listening to.

So, why listen to them?

 

[spen666]

I think Ms Buck may be saying anything to fend off the surge of Reform in her Constituency

But we keep getting told that Labour are not losing many voters to reform, but are losing far more to the Greens and Lib Dems. Your explanation would worsen her position in her constituency if this is true


Also, even if your reason is true, it doesn't read well to hear a Labour MP calling out a Labour PM

 

[TailWindHome]

Per Tim Shipman

I make that 2 of the 3 candidates with known associations with sex offenders

Osborne tbc

They could have just kept the middle aged woman who everyone said was doing a great job?

 

[C R]

So, why listen to them?

No one is listening to them, their hypocrisy is being pointed out.

 

[icowden]

But we keep getting told that Labour are not losing many voters to reform, but are losing far more to the Greens and Lib Dems. Your explanation would worsen her position in her constituency if this is true

You are trying to conflate constituency voting intention with national voting intention.

South Shields is a traditionally safe Labour seat, but demographically has an aging population and scores high on the deprivation. We know that Reform do well with the elderly and with the poorly educated - presumably as they are most likely to believe the tosh that comes out of Reform's propaganda.

This is one reason why there is such a problem for Labour. They are losing their centrist votes to Lib Dem and Green and their most left wing, traditionally industrial votes to Reform because of the poor way that immigration is perceived in those cities, and the lack of support for traditionally left wing policies.

 

[spen666]

You are trying to conflate constituency voting intention with national voting intention.

South Shields is a traditionally safe Labour seat, but demographically has an aging population and scores high on the deprivation. We know that Reform do well with the elderly and with the poorly educated - presumably as they are most likely to believe the tosh that comes out of Reform's propaganda.

This is one reason why there is such a problem for Labour. They are losing their centrist votes to Lib Dem and Green and their most left wing, traditionally industrial votes to Reform because of the poor way that immigration is perceived in those cities, and the lack of support for traditionally left wing policies.

They are either losing voters or they are not

if they are its either to one side or the other.
It defies logic to suggest in constituencies people are voting one way, but nationally they are voting another way. People only vote in their constituencies

 

[monkers]

People only vote in their constituencies

Actually that's not strictly true. The Representation of the People Act 1983 provides exemptions.

Even if was true, it wouldn't mean that people were prevented from contributing to polling data when away from their constituency.

 

[Psamathe]

Re: Ratcliffe

Ratcliffe says immigrants cost too much, while Ineos lobbies for state funding
The billionaire industrialist’s sprawling empire, which ranges from chemicals to car making, has sought government financial support worth hundreds of millions of pounds and is lobbying for further state aid from the UK and EU to stay afloat.

Ratcliffe trhinks immigrants are "too expensive" (he said "I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money.").

Maybe what's really costing too much of our money is subsidising his businesses, that "polluter does not pay", etc. eg Jim Ratcliffe chemical firms received up to £70m of UK state aid in last four years.

 

[monkers]

Re: Ratcliffe

Ratcliffe trhinks immigrants are "too expensive" (he said "I mean, the UK has been colonised. It's costing too much money.").

Maybe what's really costing too much of our money is subsidising his businesses, that "polluter does not pay", etc. eg Jim Ratcliffe chemical firms received up to £70m of UK state aid in last four years.

Good points, but just to add Ratcliffe received a further £120 million to support jobs at this Grangemouth plant this year.

In addition to that he has been granted £75 million loan guarantee and £50 million direct grant. That's a total of £245 million in support this year.

Maybe the tax savings alone don't support a Monaco lifestyle?

 

[briantrumpet]

Ratcliffe supported Labour at the last election....

Maybe he was a GTTO voter, because he objected to the levels of taxation and immigration the Tories had arrived at, but didn't think that Reform would get enough seats to GTTO.