Starmer's vision quest

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CXRAndy

Epic Member
We dont have a building problem. The UK has an immigration problem. Far too many people.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
Again, that reads like a developer problem, not a Labour problem.
I think it comes from developers having different motives than Labour. Labour want more houses for people to buy/live in whereas developers what higher profits and returns for investors.

Developers achieve their aims from building the sorts of properties that return highest profits rather than what society needs. They can also improve returns for investors through land banks (buy land without planning permissions, get planning permission and their book value increases without any need for actually building anything).

Sadly Labour policy is too influenced by lobbyists. What I think they should be prioritising is enabling Councils to build (is borrow to build), housing associations and trusts, etc. where the motives are better aligned with the needs of society.

Developers might not like developing on brownfield sites but the UK is now one of the most nature-depleted countries on Earth. We should not be throwing away our environment for the cause of developer profits, particularly where those profits are not from addressing the needs of society.
 
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BoldonLad

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Reads like the problem is with Netanyahu, Donnie, and the builders. Not Labour.
I see that answer as government funded building project of genuine affordable housing (ie 2 bed max) and reap the profits from sales or rent.

I dare say that it is not that simple and requires long term planning instead of under 4 years.

Yes, local authorities who have set up as Developers have shown the way
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
Didn’t Ms Rayner “invent” a new category of “grey belt”, which was the former “greenbelt” sites adjacent to existing developments, thus enabling unending urban spread?
I think she just "rubber stamped" the developers dreams.
Developers met ministers dozens of times over planning bill while ecologists were shut out
The scale of lobbying of ministers by developers on Labour’s landmark planning changes, which seek to rip up environmental rules to boost growth, can be exposed as campaigners make last-ditch attempts to secure protections for nature.
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The Guardian can reveal the scale of the lobbying by developers in face-to-face meetings with the chancellor and other ministers that has been going on for months, while professional ecologists have found it hard to gain any audience.

“Access to ministers has been difficult,” said Sally Hayns, the chief executive of the Chartered Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management. “We asked for a meeting early on, and were initially turned down. We asked again in July and finally had a meeting in the autumn with civil servants. We haven’t had a face-to-face meeting with a minister at all.”

In contrast, just a week into her tenure Reeves hosted high-level discussions with housebuilders Berkeley, Barratt and Taylor Wimpey and has continued to have a string of meetings with housing developers, according to the Treasury register of ministerial meetings.
 

CXRAndy

Epic Member
There are always unintended consequences of Rachel's plans.

High earners are topping up their pensions to sidestep income tax increases. An extra £400 million has been put into pensions.
 
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