Teenage gang rape case
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Beebo
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Obviously there's a lot to this ...
but can I first ask if anyone knows how typical/atypical the sentences are?
Google failing me, as I guess teenage boys rarely do things this horrendous
I can’t answer that.
But from my own moral and societal views a custodial sentence should be a minimum starting point.
These weren’t some 8 years olds playing doctors and nurses at home. These were mid teens in a local park, with a premeditated agenda.
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Pross
Veteran
I looked it up the other day when it got mentioned as it felt ridiculously lenient but it seems to fit the sentencing guidance. That said, there were at least 4 aggravating issues that should be taken into account.
The crime itself is bad enough and up there with very serious assaults as the one having the biggest victim impact but when you add in the planning to lure the girls, use of weapons and, crucially for me, the videoing / sharing it to increase the victims’ humiliation it all feels ridiculously lenient. The fact they were prepared to film and share what they did shows a complete disregard for the law that appears to have been justified and the sentencing doesn’t said much of a message out to other teenage boys with misogynistic ideas.
The crime itself is bad enough and up there with very serious assaults as the one having the biggest victim impact but when you add in the planning to lure the girls, use of weapons and, crucially for me, the videoing / sharing it to increase the victims’ humiliation it all feels ridiculously lenient. The fact they were prepared to film and share what they did shows a complete disregard for the law that appears to have been justified and the sentencing doesn’t said much of a message out to other teenage boys with misogynistic ideas.
Pross
Veteran
FWIW here are the guidelines which the judge appears to have followed although he could have given a custodial sentence. His comments a pretty much chunks taken from the guidance so although his comments seem a bit insensitive to the victims and very soft it’s not really his fault. For me the guidance gives far too much weight to age, at 13/14 I would have thought any boy would, and definitely should, know that their actions are illegal.
https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/sexual-offences-sentencing-children-and-young-people/
https://sentencingcouncil.org.uk/guidelines/sexual-offences-sentencing-children-and-young-people/
AuroraSaab
Pharaoh
I don't get how it was claimed that the rapists had a poor understanding of consent. A knife was used. Surely that showed they understood consent wasn't being given. I don't care if the sentencing guidelines allow such leniency, I really can't see how the circumstances add up to such an outcome. It's going to deter victims from reporting sexual assault.
The police seem to have acted supportively in this case but Giselle Pelicot was at the Hay book festival this weekend and her account of how French police treated her initially was awful.
The police seem to have acted supportively in this case but Giselle Pelicot was at the Hay book festival this weekend and her account of how French police treated her initially was awful.
