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It certainly piqued your interest.

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The Terf war.

As winjim has mentioned, the fact that this killer was trans (FTM) seems to be a principal point in the commentary.

TERFS regard trans men as women, but barf on about trans women having male pattern offending rates.

This one will have them scratching their heads.

My view? The trans experience may have some bearing on the disaffection of this young person, but I don't see why it should be elevated above the reasons for all the other mass killers to commit their crimes.
 
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Rusty Nails

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As winjim has mentioned, the fact that this killer was trans (FTM) seems to be a principal point in the commentary.

TERFS regard trans men as women, but barf on about trans women having male pattern offending rates.

This one will have them scratching their heads.

My view? The trans experience may have some bearing on the disaffection of this young person, but I don't see why it should be elevated above the reasons for all the other mass killers to commit their crimes.

I have only seen the news item on ITV and the fact she was transitioning was mentioned, as one would expect, as it differentiates this case from others, but was not elevated as a prime cause.

I have no doubt that weaponising of this incident will happen, as it was in the killing of Brianna Ghey, especially on social media or by KJK but it is a very divisive topic at the moment and sh*t happens. The debate is not going to go away.
 
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TERFS regard trans men as women, but barf on about trans women having male pattern offending rates.

This one will have them scratching their heads.

Nobody is scratching their heads.

Research suggests that transwomen offend at the same rate as other males. The same research suggests that transmen had a higher crime rate than the general population of women, but not as high as men. Men and women are socialised in different ways so I don't find this research surprising, additionally perhaps testosterone explains the increase in transman crime rates to some extent. Detransitioners have certainly spoken of the increase in energy and aggression that testosterone gave them.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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The same research shows higher incidences of self-harm amongst transgender individuals and we know mental health can be linked to crime so that may also be a factor. As might lack of mental health care in the US.

Lax gun laws provided the means though and unless that is addressed similar incidents will occur, regardless of the perpetrator, the motivation, or the contribution of other factors.
 

mudsticks

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They think everyone else is slaving under the yoke of socialist oppression and school shootings are a price worth paying for true liberty.

What US parent wouldn't seriously be considering home schooling.right now??

Although I don't think the stats on kids shooting themselves, their parents, or peers, at home with family owned guns , are that great either..

Yes, maybe it is the guns. 🤔

Cor, and wouldn't it be very nice to slaving under just a teensy weensy bit of socialism right now.??
 

The highest common denominator in mass shootings is not being 'cis' but being male born. Just as it is with all other violent crimes.
 

monkers

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What US parent wouldn't seriously be considering home schooling.right now??

Although I don't think the stats on kids shooting themselves, their parents, or peers, at home with family owned guns , are that great either..

Yes, maybe it is the guns. 🤔

Cor, and wouldn't it be very nice to slaving under just a teensy weensy bit of socialism right now.??

It's the availability of guns. I don't happen to think the problem is farmers mass shooting people.
 
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mudsticks

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It's the availability of guns. I don't happen to think the problem is farmers mass shooting people.

No I don't think we can pin this problem on farmers either, but I'm not sure anyone was trying to do that though 🤔.

It's guns for sure, and a violence driven society, a society that seems to have pretty much zero regard for the overall wellbeing of its citizens.

Despite its much vaunted claims to 'freedom'

The 'freedom' to fear that your kids might not reach adulthood doesn't seem like much of a boast.
 
What US parent wouldn't seriously be considering home schooling.right now??

Although I don't think the stats on kids shooting themselves, their parents, or peers, at home with family owned guns , are that great either..

I can't remember the stats off the top of my head but if you live in the US you are far more likely to be killed with your own gun by a family member than be killed with a gun by someone else. Ex service folk being allowed to keep their weapons is one reason for high suicide rates in Switzerland apparently.

High weapons ownership amongst the general public is always going to result in a catastrophic number of otherwise preventable deaths, whether it's deliberate, accidental, or self-inflicted. I would say ending gun deaths in the US would be near impossible given the number of weapons out there, and the emphasis on individual rights in US society, but it's heartbreaking that those who could mitigate the damage won't take even the smallest steps to do so.
 

mudsticks

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The highest common denominator in mass shootings is not being 'cis' but being male born. Just as it is with all other violent crimes.

By a very very long shot (pardon the pun)

Cue cries of 'But not all men'

Usually several magnitudes louder than

'Yes and we really need to work on tackling the causes of those violent behaviours, in those perpetrators'.

But apparently - if we try to tackle this issue in any way shape or form (even via the advertisement of male grooming products 🙄) we risk going 'broke' cos we've 'gone woke' or some other such nonsense.

Violence isnt an 'inevitable' behaviour, it's a product of environmental factors, and a behavioural choice.
 
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Of course it's the guns, particularly the ease of the availability of them. Guns are for killing, it doesn't matter the reason, People get hung up on this. You know, mental health, toddlers getting hold of their parents guns and shooting themselves or their parents etc. Remove guns and you are left with a mental health sufferer, who will find it harder to do terrible things and gives society a fighting chance to help them or maybe remove them from society if it comes to that and a toddler who won't have found a gun...

Who does the killing is nearly irrelevant. If they didn't have access to powerful lethal weapons that can kill accurately and at range, you know, what they are designed to do killing en masse, killing becomes more difficult and mass slaughter less likely.

In the UK it is difficult to lay your hands on a firearm. Not impossible, but there is far far less of them about and gun crime is minuscule. It of course happens, again in cases where access to firearms is relatively easy, such as in the case with Jealous Farmer Andrew Cooper who shot dead his ex wife at near point plank range with his dad's antique shotgun while she sat in her car before turning it on himself and blasting half of his face off and survived and that was after he had his firearm licence revoked.
 
It's a long time since I've been to the US. Do any states have the regulations on buying blades/knives that we have in the UK? That was introduced here in response to knife crime. Different thing I know but nobody felt aggrieved at not being able to buy a machete anymore. It's such a different mind set in the US; it's hard to get your head round.
 
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