Aerated Concrete problems

[BoldonLad]

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I wonder who she thinks “sat on their ärses”.

Presumably, whoever is responsible for School Building Maintenance?, Local Authority perhaps?

 

[Beebo]

She is quite clearly seeking to blame local authorities as they have the initial responsibility for the buildings. But this is just too big for central government to ignore.

But the real arse sitters are who ever has been current and previous education secretary since 2017, current and previous prime ministers and the current and previous chancellors for failing to adequately fund the system to allow local authorities to repair the school buildings.

 

[C R]

She is quite clearly seeking to blame local authorities as they have the initial responsibility for the buildings. But this is just too big for central government to ignore.

But the real arse sitters are who ever has been current and previous education secretary since 2017, current and previous prime ministers and the current and previous chancellors for failing to adequately fund the system to allow local authorities to repair the school buildings.

Are local authorities also responsible for academy buildings? Academies took over the estate of the preexisting schools, did they not take maintenance responsibilities?

 

[Fab Foodie]

Presumably, whoever is responsible for School Building Maintenance?, Local Authority perhaps?

Only if they're Labour-run LA's....

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

Are local authorities also responsible for academy buildings? Academies took over the estate of the preexisting schools, did they not take maintenance responsibilities?

Exactly - they get paid a lot more than the LEAs get paid for the same school
out of which they pay an extra layer of management a large amount of money
a lot of the Chief Executive's have they salary available due to Freedom of Information and all that
It makes interesting reading but don't be holding a cuppa when you see it - although you may need a drink after!

Now - if I remember correctly - a 'certain political party' put forward the concept of Academies as a way of off loading the costs of school only what is effectively a private company
But what is the betting that the tax payer will end up funding the repairs and replacements and not the Academy????

Declaration of Interest - I am a retired teacher - shortly after I retired the last school I was in was made part of an academy - almost immediately all the TAs had their pay almost halved!!!
SO I am NOT a fan of Academies - although I would suspect some do an excellent job

 

[BoldonLad]

Only if they're Labour-run LA's....

Well, personally, I would have said "only if they are LAs where the Chief executive and/or Director of Education (or whatever their fancy titles are) are being paid more than the Prime Minister, and/or where the Chief Executive has been busily overseeing disastrous house building companies, and/or energy supplies etc".

 

[BoldonLad]

Exactly - they get paid a lot more than the LEAs get paid for the same school
out of which they pay an extra layer of management a large amount of money
a lot of the Chief Executive's have they salary available due to Freedom of Information and all that
It makes interesting reading but don't be holding a cuppa when you see it - although you may need a drink after!

Now - if I remember correctly - a 'certain political party' put forward the concept of Academies as a way of off loading the costs of school only what is effectively a private company
But what is the betting that the tax payer will end up funding the repairs and replacements and not the Academy????

Declaration of Interest - I am a retired teacher - shortly after I retired the last school I was in was made part of an academy - almost immediately all the TAs had their pay almost halved!!!
SO I am NOT a fan of Academies - although I would suspect some do an excellent job

Wheren't Academies part of the "Education, Education, Education" era, of Blair/Brown?

 

[BoldonLad]

She is quite clearly seeking to blame local authorities as they have the initial responsibility for the buildings. But this is just too big for central government to ignore.

But the real arse sitters are who ever has been current and previous education secretary since 2017, current and previous prime ministers and the current and previous chancellors for failing to adequately fund the system to allow local authorities to repair the school buildings.

Why 2017?, I rather thought the problem had been known about long before that?

 

[Beebo]

Why 2017?, I rather thought the problem had been known about long before that?

2017 is when the first ceiling collapsed and things became real.

I can’t really blame anyone before that as it was just a theoretical risk.

Everything has a design life but you would usually expect something with 30 years to go beyond that. A tiled roof on a house is only designed for 60 years but loads of people have older roofs.

 

[matticus]

Everything has a design life but you would usually expect something with 30 years to go beyond that. A tiled roof on a house is only designed for 60 years but loads of people have older roofs.

Fair point, but they have rather different failure modes, no? And one is hanging over the heads of 30 kids!

 

[Ian H]

2017 is when the first ceiling collapsed and things became real.

I can’t really blame anyone before that as it was just a theoretical risk.

Everything has a design life but you would usually expect something with 30 years to go beyond that. A tiled roof on a house is only designed for 60 years but loads of people have older roofs.

Tiling is superficial. These concrete structures are... er... structural.

 

[BoldonLad]

Fair point, but they have rather different failure modes, no? And one is hanging over the heads of 30 kids!

Tiling is superficial. These concrete structures are... er... structural.

Quite

 

[Mr Celine]

Tiling is superficial. These concrete structures are... er... structural.

Not in the usual way. In a normal concrete roof panel the concrete carries the compressive load on the top and the steel reinforcement carries the tensile load on the bottom.

RAAC has negligible strength even in compression so roof panels require reinforcement top and bottom.

The BRE published a paper in 1996 about problems caused by life expired RAAC panels.

 

[icowden]

I remember reading about this problem months ago, in PE I think.

Yes it was. I think they have covered it (and the Dept of Educations inaction) a few times.

 

[BoldonLad]

Yes it was. I think they have covered it (and the Dept of Educations inaction) a few times.

plenty of opportunity, if it has been know about since 1996, or, even before