Assisted Dying, Yes or No?

[First Aspect]

Assisted dying for mental health reasons has gone up in the last ten years from 2 in 2010 to 219 in 2024 in the Netherlands. Could that be because as you say "Most mental health inflicted/motivated suicides are caused by the fact it takes such a goddamn long time to actually get the help needed"?

Picking this up from the Starmer thread so that @Stevo666 can have a safe space to complain about leftiebollocks.

 

[First Aspect]

Assisted dying for mental health reasons has gone up in the last ten years from 2 in 2010 to 219 in 2024 in the Netherlands. Could that be because as you say "Most mental health inflicted/motivated suicides are caused by the fact it takes such a goddamn long time to actually get the help needed"?

Picking this up from the Starmer thread so that @Stevo666 can have a safe space to complain about leftiebollocks.

So, Netherlands does not have a terminality condition on assisted dying.

The data is interesting, but Tim Harford has taught me that when I see a statistics showing a 1000% increase, it might be worth asking why.

Has data recording changed, for example? E.g. has there been a change in reporting to pull in more than just a primary condition? Was 2010 the first year of the legislation?

There might, just possibly, be a reason other than clinicians in the Netherlands getting sick of being pestered by patients with mental health conditions.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Classic introduced epilepsy, not me.
As I understand it, the chair of the committee - Leadbetter - puts forward the names to the Committee of Selection who choose the members from her list.

I haven't suggested Dutch GP's are approving suicide for annoying patients.

 

[First Aspect]

Classic introduced epilepsy, not me.
As I understand it, the chair of the committee - Leadbetter - puts forward the names to the Committee of Selection who choose the members from her list.

I haven't suggested Dutch GP's are approving suicide for annoying patients.

No you haven't said that.

But it would be interesting, presuming you are indeed interested in the unintended potential impact on patients with mental health conditions and citing the Dutch numbers as support, to look into those in a bit more detail.

Call me cynical but I'm not one for taking things at face value.

You have suggested that Kim Leadbeater chose the committee members though. Which is not accurate.

 

[Webbo2]

Given under the UK mental health act you can be given treatment ( feeding) against your wishes if you have a diagnosis of an eating disorder and your body weight is low enough to be life threatening. I struggle to see how assisted dying might be approved.

 

[classic33]

You constantly say this about stuff and it's never true.

Ooh, but it is true.

As it's physiological in origin I would call it a medical condition. Whether it's a disability depends on its severity I suppose.

One type, but not all types. But all are disabilities. But you avoid answering again.

@First Aspect, it was myself that sort of introduced it in the first post of this thread. It's something I'm living with, and having to decline treatment because of. Deciding which should get priority. Because of the impact of other treatments on it, I've had things go wrong.
This "conflict of interests" has led to the DNR being questioned by some. There's a very real chance of being left in a PVS, which is something I don't want. I've based this on the short term periods where I've been admitted to hospital due to the epilepsy, where machines have been there keeping me "alive". To be in that state day in day out isn't something I want. Nor do I want anyone being blamed for not "helping me live" like that.
@All uphill seems to have picked up on what I meant, in that there's worse than dying. Not just for myself.
And if I'd checked before starting this thread, to try and keep another on track, I'd have seen @Beebo's thread on the same subject from late last year.

 

[First Aspect]

Okay, so given it's a delicate subject I know a dangerously little about... Your personal concern is finding yourself in a situation you would not wish to persist, but unable legally for your wishes in that case to be respected in advance, but unable to express them should it occur l?

 

[Ian H]

Okay, so given it's a delicate subject I know a dangerously little about... Your personal concern is finding yourself in a situation you would not wish to persist, but unable legally for your wishes in that case to be respected in advance, but unable to express them should it occur l?

Er... run that past me again.