Badenoch's (Lack Of) Vision Quest

[BoldonLad]

Looking promising for the Tories in Makerfield.

I gather that the Reform candidate wasn't terribly impressive in Question Time last night... not that that'll make much difference to Reform voters, who'd vote for anyone/anything that says mean things about foreigners, educated people, and women.

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Not sure Question Time is required watching for the average Reform Voter, if the stereotypes quoted are true 😂

 

[BoldonLad]

I wonder who they surveyed. The results might depend if some under the EU Settlement Scheme are included or some on limited term work visas, student visas, etc..

Plus some with dual nationality might hold their country of birth as their own true ethnicity. eg one family member has dual nationality when he emigrated, acquiring dual nationality in the country he emigrated to in later life. Yet whilst he resided in the 2nd country, if asked he'd have described himself as "British" (ie his 2nd nationality was more for residence and rights.

Locally, there is a significant population of Irish origin (including my in-laws and their off-spring). Many of them (including some of my in-laws) still regard themselves as "Irish", even if the nearest they have been to Ireland is Carlisle. In most instances, they are third or fourth generation "born here".

It is bizarre (IMHO), who cares?

 

[Psamathe]

Not sure Question Time is required watching for the average Reform Voter, if the stereotypes quoted are true 😂

Additionally, whatever reports Reform voters read will just be quoting the slightly more coherent answers he gave.

 

[Beebo]

I think the far right would have the same problems as the far left (e.g. Corbyn v. Sultana), and the 'pureness' (and electability) of parties/groupings... e.g., if 'whiteness' is a central thing for Restore, even Farage might blanche (excuse the pun) at highlighting it, given the views of the electorate.

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The “by age” breakdown is a bit worrying.
Seems the younger you are the less you agree with it.

 

[secretsqirrel]

I think the far right would have the same problems as the far left (e.g. Corbyn v. Sultana), and the 'pureness' (and electability) of parties/groupings... e.g., if 'whiteness' is a central thing for Restore, even Farage might blanche (excuse the pun) at highlighting it, given the views of the electorate.

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I wonder why they specified “English” when referring to non-white “British“. That doesn’t make sense to me. The more recent generations had come here would have become British with British passports, so may not necessarily identify as English, it‘s not an equivalent.

 

[Pblakeney]

t is bizarre (IMHO), who cares?

Not me.

 

[Beebo]

I wonder why they specified “English” when referring to non-white “British“. That doesn’t make sense to me. The more recent generations had come here would have become British with British passports, so may not necessarily identify as English, it‘s not an equivalent.

Maybe because English nationalism is seen as a problem.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Ha! on the BBC today…..

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English

Public Health warning - It includes stuff from Matt Goodwin that some people may find offensive …..

 

[Psamathe]

Ha! on the BBC today…..

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English

Public Health warning - It includes stuff from Matt Goodwin that some people may find offensive …..

When people (above, other threads) have been questioning the "English" rather than "British" I did wonder if it's from Matt Goodwin using the "English". He was on TV last night arguing the same distinction. It's daft and this "ancestry" seems to fail to appreciate where we all came from.

It's a daft thing to be discussing. People are people and pretty well everybody is looking for similar things eg family, safety, being able to afford to live, etc.

To be trying to make daft points about ethnicity, Britishness, Englishness, etc. when the real issues are cost of living, job losses, failing economy really just misses the main needs of society.

 

[Pross]

Ha! on the BBC today…..

The deeply contentious debate around what it means to be English

Public Health warning - It includes stuff from Matt Goodwin that some people may find offensive …..

His name alone does that!

Edit - I also find their use of a red dragon for St. George's Day deeply offensive - get your own fecking flag. Oh...

 

[secretsqirrel]

His name alone does that!

Edit - I also find their use of a red dragon for St. George's Day deeply offensive - get your own fecking flag. Oh...

Yeah sorry that last sentence should have read

Public Health warning - It includes stuff from Matt Goodwin that who most people may find offensive …..

And, yes call off your Turkish dragon botherer.

 

[Bromptonaut]

(I suppose more of Reform thread but ...) Makes me wonder if maybe before next General Election Lowe and Färage might find common ground either such that Lowe rejoins Reform or Reform withdraw from a few constituencies (leaving them to Restore" who withdraw from others to avoid splitting the vote. Both parties would benefit (Restore more likely to get more MPs in constituencies where Reform don't stand whilst Reform doesn't have their vote split in loads of other places). I'm sure Fãrage can bluster up some excuse and then just run away from answering any questions about it. Even if they put forward a paper candidate but provide no meney for any publicity and then withdraw the candidate over some concocted excuse 10 mins before the deadline for candidates to stand.

The Lowe/Farage feud is, I think, way to deep seated to be reconcilable.

 

[BoldonLad]

I wonder why they specified “English” when referring to non-white “British“. That doesn’t make sense to me. The more recent generations had come here would have become British with British passports, so may not necessarily identify as English, it‘s not an equivalent.

When I was at school (a long time ago), we were always told, by the headmaster, “you are British, English is a breed, not a Nationality”. 😂

 

[Ian H]

The Lowe/Farage feud is, I think, way to deep seated to be reconcilable.

You'd hope so.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Former Equalities Minister wants to abolish Public Sector Equality Duty. Didn’t do it when she was minister ’cos nobody listened to her.