Badenoch's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

But those aren't the only two brown faces in the Conservative party, just the two who are the most venally successful. What of the others, like Baronness Warsi?

I know. That is why I used her as an example. The point being that brown people are not some sort of monobloc. There are racial politics at play between Hindus and Muslims, Nigerians and Afro-Caribbeans etc.

True but, similarly, “white” people are not a monobloc either.

So, what’s your point?

 

[multitool]

True but, similarly, “white” people are not a monobloc either.

So, what’s your point?

I'll let you work that one out for yourself

 

[BoldonLad]

I'll let you work that one out for yourself

God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform

 

[monkers]

God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform

Who is God this week? We've had more self-appointed Gods than we've had chancellors. Whose turn is it?

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Only if you believe that you have to be white to hate muslim people (for example), which proves that somewhere deep down you recognise that white people must be pretty shabby as a grouping.

That's why i responded like that to the remarks ''the last two leaders where brown poeple'' in response to a discussion in which they claim Badenoch is trying to ''outfacist'' Farage. I found it odd those posters where so racist by not trying to sound racist by calling to other racist, you're typical anti-racist playbook.

But white people shabby as a grouping, sure but it's more linked to human nature as to ''white people as a grouping'' as the same happens in other parts of the world where people predominantly have a different color. But i would say there is no deny-ing that still the position of any black person in America is much worse then a white person in a similar position, it is much less of any of those in born into wealth but still. But if you can down the rabbit whole and then again America is the easiest example because the history is rather new, it's down to the status quo installed by the former British empire. Which was primarly about status but turned out to be racist, do to that same system of power and superiority.
New York when it was still New Amsterdam had much fewer of those issues for example(much fewer rule of law too, which would have advernturly created their own problems if the Netherlands (better said Dutch east indian trading company) didn't ''trade it in''

 

[BoldonLad]

Who is God this week? We've had more self-appointed Gods than we've had chancellors. Whose turn is it?

There is only one God 😊

 

[monkers]

There is only one God 😊

Apologies, I overlooked you oh great one.

 

[Ian H]

There is only one God 😊

Per person?

 

[mjr]

That's why i responded like that to the remarks ''the last two leaders where brown poeple'' in response to a discussion in which they claim Badenoch is trying to ''outfacist'' Farage. I found it odd those posters where so racist by not trying to sound racist by calling to other racist, you're typical anti-racist playbook.

Are fascists necessarily racist?

 

[multitool]

Are fascists necessarily racist?

Well...you'd have to first confront the difficulties with accurately defining fascism.

Fascist regimes have tended to use racism as a means of uniting an ethnic group (perceived as 'native') against outsiders, on the basis of racial identity.

 

[BoldonLad]

Well...you'd have to first confront the difficulties with accurately defining fascism.

Fascist regimes have tended to use racism as a means of uniting an ethnic group (perceived as 'native') against outsiders, on the basis of racial identity.

Would a definition of “ethnic” and “race” (racism, racist etc ) also be required?

 

[multitool]

Would a definition of “ethnic” and “race” (racism, racist etc ) also be required?

Not if you use the fascists own terms. For example German fascists perception of Aryan race vs subhuman Slavs.

Italian fascists, at least initially, weren't too focused on race. That came later.

 

[BoldonLad]

Not if you use the fascists own terms. For example German fascists perception of Aryan race vs subhuman Slavs.

Italian fascists, at least initially, weren't too focused on race. That came later.

Personally, don’t find that very convincing.

 

[monkers]

Personally, don’t find that very convincing.

Could it be because while we pretty much all will accept that the Nazis were fascists, we don't call the Italian and Spanish fascists of the past Nazis. Can fascism have a single definition when we know there have been fascist groups with differing ideologies?

 

[multitool]

Personally, don’t find that very convincing.

I'm distraught