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Something nasty in the woodshed
Well, it's definitely going exactly to that plan.
Bibby Stockholm
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Well, it's definitely going exactly to that plan.
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AndyRM
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Grim news from Bibby:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67692099
Whatever the circumstances, that loss of life lies with the government.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67692099
Whatever the circumstances, that loss of life lies with the government.
Beebo
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Difficult to comment with such little information, but suicide would seem to suggest some government culpability.
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Why, people top themselves all the time, for various reasons.
It's not always the case someone else is to blame.
All uphill
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I think that's seriously overstating the case. Let's wait for the outcome of the inquest.
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AndyRM
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Unsurprisingly, Labour will be sinking the prison ship in January, which is excellent news.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg640n3372qo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg640n3372qo
Badger_Boom
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They might like to reconsider that. I can see there being a lot of people looking for lodging at His Majesty's pleasure in the near future.
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
Ohhhhh. That would be glorious!
All uphill
Well-Known Member
If the prisons are full maybe they'll be put in Holiday Inns.
AuroraSaab
Squire
If the ship is inappropriate and inhumane for asylum seekers why is it appropriate for those on remand or jailed? It's either suitable accommodation or it isn't.
Bromptonaut
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AuroraSaab
Squire
They've broken the law by arriving here without permission. People on remand aren't convicted of anything btw.
Regardless, why is it inhumane for one detained cohort but not another? Do convicted prisoners not deserve humane conditions?
Regardless, why is it inhumane for one detained cohort but not another? Do convicted prisoners not deserve humane conditions?
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
What @Bromptonaut said.
Also, I wasn't exactly being serious.
And I don't think @Badger_Boom was either.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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What law did they break by arriving without permission? IMHO it's a grey area as, if they surrender themselves to Border Force as soon as they arrive, then they're 'legit'. They're not on remand and should be free to come and go from BS at will; the fact they can only do so on a bus is part of their complaint.
They also say that the regime on board, the nature of the rooms and behaviour of security guards make it feel too much like a prison. Not good if you've escaped from a regime that uses prison and ill treatment to control dissent.
Prisoners, whether on remand or serving a sentence are legitimately detained and guarded by Prison Officers; different kettle of fish.
AuroraSaab
Squire
It's a criminal offence in UK law, as it is in most countries, to arrive without permission. People on remand haven't been found guilty of anything either. The BS is either a suitable detention centre or it isn't. That doesn't change based on whether you like or dislike the occupants.