glasgowcyclist
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Hey, I didn’t make the law. That’s just the way it is.
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Hey, I didn’t make the law. That’s just the way it is.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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- Bugbrooke, Northants
If Ryanair let you board a flight from, say, Paris Beauvais to Leeds without you having the right passport/stamps and you're detected on arrival they have to return you and pay a fine.
As airline check in staff are not experts on the minutiae of visas etc and there's a blame culture towards staff who let the 'badduns' board you'll see stories in the papers with monotonous regularity of people with every right to return to their UK being denied boarding.
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BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
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I understand what you say. I have travelled by air and ferry more than once. But, that doesn’t explain the mismatch between the statement that it is perfectly legal to arrive without documents (provided you present yourself to Border Force), and the fine for carriers who carry such passengers.
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
- Location
- South Tyneside
I accept you didn’t make the rules. Just seems strange to me that such a mismatch has been allowed to persist for so long (presumably decades)
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
- Location
- South Tyneside
Couldn’t you be on the manifest, without documents?, eg name, gender.
Anyway, let’s forget this rabbit hole, it mystifies me, but, I will sleep tonight.
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
You know, using words you don't know the meaning of is generally a bad idea.
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AndyRM
Elder Goth
I don't disagree!
Badger_Boom
Member
Section 40 relates to persons who for a variety of reasons are not allowed to travel to the UK in the first place, and since it's not illegal to claim asylum Section 12 applies.
Badger_Boom
Member
Legal pin head dancing. It's illegal to transport undocumented people into the country, but not illegal for a person to arrive without documents.
Edited to add: It was presumably easier and cheaper to prosecute (mostly) innocent drivers than to operate robust border controls.
BoldonLad
Old man on a bike. Not a member of a clique.
- Location
- South Tyneside
Does this mean the rule/law was only brought in relatively recently (say, last 20 years), and that prior to that airlines/ferries COULD transport persons without documents (other than tickets).
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
The requirement to check documentation was applied to airlines during the Thatcher era.
Less certain about ferries.
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You have to present a valid ticket and passport to leave and enter the UK via ferry. I've done it many times when motorcycling in Europe
Ian H
Legendary Member
I can't remember exactly when, but the government decided to make all transport companies legally liable for allowing undocumented people to travel. It was resisted by the companies as adding to their workload, so they took the line of least resistance and simply demanded travel documents from everyone.
So it's a rule imposed by the ferries and airlines, not a law.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
I know that's the case now. I came back from France a week ago.
The question asked was when did it start to be needed?