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briantrumpet

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I'm confused why no one seems to know the cause of the power outage in Spain and Portugal. It doesn't surprise me that they don't know why something broke, but to not know what broke seems really odd.

This seems as detailed as any reports I've seen, but still seems very speculative. As you say, especially as it started over 24 hours ago, it does seem weird that there's still little more than hunches.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/0429/1510156-spanish-blackout-analysis/
 

First Aspect

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Puts the Heathrow outage into a bit of perspective.
 

PurplePenguin

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This seems as detailed as any reports I've seen, but still seems very speculative. As you say, especially as it started over 24 hours ago, it does seem weird that there's still little more than hunches.

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2025/0429/1510156-spanish-blackout-analysis/

That's Tony Connelly of Brexit fame. It says they lost 15 GW which is a massive amount to lose, but no solid explanation how.

I imagine a big chunk of the 15 GW was deliberately switched off, but then someone should know a. what was originally lost and where and b. how the decision was taken to shutdown a load more.
 

icowden

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I imagine a big chunk of the 15 GW was deliberately switched off, but then someone should know a. what was originally lost and where and b. how the decision was taken to shutdown a load more.
It wouldn't have been a decision. It would have been the almost instantaneous switching of failsafe mechanisms as various substations and power sources protected their own infrastructure.
 
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PurplePenguin

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It wouldn't have been a decision. It would have been the almost instantaneous switching of failsafe mechanisms as various substations and power sources protected their own infrastructure.

Yes. Usually pre-determined decisions, but nonetheless known. Also, don't be surprised how manual some stuff is.
 

Pblakeney

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Thanks. Only the Telegraph could connect it to renewable energy though, so not sure that is the best place for a discussion on a mass outage.

Not only The Telegraph though as this has been mentioned elsewhere. You need power to restart the power supply and renewable supply is not 100% guaranteed.
Yet.
 

PurplePenguin

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If anyone is bored this is a write up about the last big outage in the UK. It explains how things cascade through the system. It also discusses renewable energy.

https://www.drax.com/opinion/britains-blackout/#chapter-5
 
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briantrumpet

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"No downsides"

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CXRAndy

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Should have trained British nurses.

This government nor the previous invested in the British youth
 
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icowden

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Should have trained British nurses.

the previous government did not invest in the British youth
FTFY. This government has not bee in government long enough for training uptake to show. Spoiler - Starmer's government has invested heavily in Nurse training. Funding has been lapped up by Universities to run courses, and those students studying on them get additional funding for training in areas of Nursing where there is currently a lack of staff (my daughter is going to do a Nursing Degree - that's how I know).
 
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BoldonLad

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FTFY. This government has not bee in government long enough for training uptake to show. Spoiler - Starmer's government has invested heavily in Nurse training. Funding has been lapped up by Universities to run courses, and those students studying on them get additional funding for training in areas of Nursing where there is currently a lack of staff (my daughter is going to do a Nursing Degree - that's how I know).

Daughter No1 did a Nursing Degree, in 1989 - 1993. For some reason, it was titled Project 2000? It was quite lucrative, she got a sizeable bursary. Has been quite lucrative since too, she is now about to retire next year (age 55).

I believe the wicked witch was in government at the time.
 

Pblakeney

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Daughter No1 did a Nursing Degree, in 1989 - 1993. For some reason, it was titled Project 2000? It was quite lucrative, she got a sizeable bursary. Has been quite lucrative since too, she is now about to retire next year (age 55).

I believe the wicked witch was in government at the time.

Imo scrapping the bursaries was a huge mistake regarding recruitment for what is essentially an apprenticeship, not a standard uni course.
 
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Today in the FT, talking about lessons for the US economy: https://www.ft.com/content/342dc3c4-ef12-4868-873d-e9f2eaa986c3

Sure, it’s possible to explain away aspects of this shocking performance. Some of it comes from fuels, which is more likely to reflect declining North Sea oil production rather than Brexit. And Britain’s goods export performance with non-EU countries is about as poor as it is with the EU, which suggests a problem with the UK as a whole. Services exports have done OK.

But it is impossible to construct a coherent argument that Brexit has benefited the UK economy. Britain’s diminished role feeds vigorous debate on exactly how much damage has been done and whether it is wiser to suck up to the US or the EU in the hope of being thrown some scraps from one of their tables.

It was painful to live through this experience in Britain. Modern capitalist economies are extremely resilient, so there is rarely that cathartic moment where the whole country realises it has made a terrible mistake and steps away from the edge. So there is little doubt that the Trump administration will continue to peddle fantasies about its strategic brilliance, while fighting internally over day-to-day tactics and trade deals that at best recreate the advantages that the US already had. Trade is relatively unimportant to the US economy, and it can withstand a lot of this nonsense without necessarily crumbling.

But a stagflationary shock is just that. When it comes to a reckoning in some years’ time, the US economy will be weaker and its standing in the world diminished. Brexit teaches you that.


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