BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[Pblakeney]

There's a lot of stuff out there that might change your mind, like this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU39jN0WEZg

Doesn't strike me as being very natural.

 

[briantrumpet]

There's a lot of stuff out there that might change your mind, like this:


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU39jN0WEZg

Brilliant, thanks Pinno.

 

[Pblakeney]

Better for what? We're just one of the millions of various kinds of fauna, albeit a dominant one. We don't exist outside nature. If we 'overgraze' we'll go extinct, like other animals before us.

Less pollution, less mining, less chopping things down, burning, etc, etc. No nukes. 😱
Better for all the other species.

 

[Pblakeney]

"It's hard and slow to improve" doesn't mean we shouldn't try to do our best as long as we share this planet with other organisms that were here before us and will be here after us (lichens and funguses, if nothing else).

I think we should reduce our impact on the planet. Interference seems to just lead to unintended consequences.
PS - I'm no angel. Just a bit self aware.

 

[briantrumpet]

I think we should reduce our impact on the planet. Interference seems to just lead to unintended consequences.
PS - I'm no angel. Just a bit self aware.

Your 'reduce our impact' though reads to me like walking away from the mess we've made. We can make it better, as Pinno's video shows, if we do it well. 8bn people can make quite the difference, if we pull in similar directions.

 

[Psamathe]

That is kind of my point. We are shaping the World the way we think it should be. It is a god complex mixed in with an extremely high level of arrogance. The planet will exist after we have gone, and will arguably be much better long after we've gone.

Or, having ignored considering any consequences of our actions for far too long we are not doing the best we can (in places) to try and recover something. Along the lines of "If you want to get there you don't want to start here". That said, most western world are not yet even doing "the best we can" but perpetuating the destruction because they view the world as an economy rather than a society and refuse to address the real issues.

 

[CXRAndy]

Your 'reduce our impact' though reads to me like walking away from the mess we've made. We can make it better, as Pinno's video shows, if we do it well. 8bn people can make quite the difference, if we pull in similar directions.

Humans are tribal, will always fight against others

 

[Pinno718]

Brilliant, thanks Pinno.

For the life of me, I cannot remember the series which presents and promotes a lot of these schemes with European commentary and more detail.
I'll have a look later.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Quite glad I got a month's supply of 8 per day on my last prescription... I've both saved some money and have got more than enough to do myself serious harm.

(Don't worry, I am joking.)

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Buy them in a supermarket and that's a 30% increase on very little.

 

[Rusty Nails]

That is kind of my point. We are shaping the World the way we think it should be. It is a god complex mixed in with an extremely high level of arrogance. The planet will exist after we have gone, and will arguably be much better long after we've gone.

So no need to worry about what we're doing to it in the long term.

 

[Pblakeney]

So no need to worry about what we're doing to it in the long term.

On a planetary scale? No.
A bit concerning for the species that will be eradicated in the meantime, including humans. Along with how we can accelerate the process.

 

[CXRAndy]

Thankfully the best of us will have left the planet before then

 

[briantrumpet]

I hadn't seen that quote before.

 

[BoldonLad]

It's actually a very complicated subject, of course. I'm equally aware that sheep farming is to blame for a lot of problems (for instance, the look of the largely treeless Lake District – which is environmentally problematic, especially with climate change). On Dartmoor, for instance, overuse of sheep is not beneficial to diverse flora & fauna, as they graze so tightly that certain plants don't thrive, and cattle and ponies are much better in that respect, as long as used in moderation.

It's just that at the same time I find this type of thing really annoying as a way of belittling farming and ignoring how it's shaped our countryside, and if well done (or at least better), is an important part of managing it better in the future than in the past. It doesn't take much research to realise that 'natural spaces' need managing, and that farming, in some form, is the best way to do that.

To me, if it is "managed", then, by definition, it is not a natural space. Is a "natural space" one which is as it would be if no humans had come along and "managed" it?

For example, if "we" had not killed off the wolves, etc, there would be no need to cull deer. Nature would balance the equation, through starvation, disease or predation.

I do recognise that in UK, there is, in all probability, no "natural spaces" in my terms.

EDIT. I am catching up, reading further, I see others have said similar 😂

 

[BoldonLad]

Quite glad I got a month's supply of 8 per day on my last prescription... I've both saved some money and have got more than enough to do myself serious harm.

(Don't worry, I am joking.)

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I assume you pay prescription charges? it would be much cheaper to buy paracetamol at the supermarket. ASDA 64p for 16 x 500mg capsules.

Edit: I see @Rusty Nails beat to this one too 😊