BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[C R]

So now he'll just drive without a license. Nothing else to lose.

No, because the next step is 2 years jail, he knows that, and he doesn't want to end up there. He is an entitled twerp with money who didn't fancy following the speed limits, but he is not someone that wants to spend six months in jail.

Don't get me wrong, that system doesn't do anything for the common criminal, but it stops all the entitled twerps like Coogan from taking the piss.

 

[briantrumpet]

I was being somewhat facetious in my early response to Brian's graph.

I had a feeling you probably were, but as you didn't add an emoji... 😜

 

[Psamathe]

So now he'll just drive without a license. Nothing else to lose.

Often such folk just carry on driving illegally, and without insurance, because they've nothing to lose. I'd rather they had a long ban but with a chance of getting their license back.

I'm sure there are punishments society can already come-up with eg a lot of community service ("Community Payback") even lasting several years. Prison as a last resort but that costs us all ££ but the injury to other such drivers are more likely to case can cost ££££. A few such offenders going to prison even for a short time would increase the deferent.

 

[briantrumpet]

Hurrah. "Hands, face, space" should be consigned to the bin as a default response to virus spread.

https://www.bmj.com/content/393/bmj.s919

"Therefore, WHO should change its default response. For pathogens with documented person-to-person spread and severe outcomes, the initial assumption should be airborne risk unless and until evidence supports easing back. The burden of proof should not be on those arguing for caution. It should be on those arguing to relax it."

 

[Psamathe]

Hurrah. "Hands, face, space" should be consigned to the bin as a default response to virus spread.

https://www.bmj.com/content/393/bmj.s919

"Therefore, WHO should change its default response. For pathogens with documented person-to-person spread and severe outcomes, the initial assumption should be airborne risk unless and until evidence supports easing back. The burden of proof should not be on those arguing for caution. It should be on those arguing to relax it."

I wonder if that has an impact on air circulation heating/cooling systems? Do they pipe outside air in then heat bit or do they filter down to the virus particle size?

 

[BoldonLad]

My guess would be that they are defining 'speed cameras' as ones that are generating fines, and that data is either coming from them once not collecting fines, or that they are collecting speed data by other means to judge the outcome of turning off the fine generation function. It's not surprising that people who are likely to speed are more likely to do so if they know they are unlikely to be caught.

It is interesting the general downwards drift while they certainly were operational... it does suggest that those likely to speed will, over time, adjust their behaviour, if there are penalties.

What would be "interesting" are the deaths and injuries figures for the same period(s)

 

[briantrumpet]

What would be "interesting" are the deaths and injuries figures for the same period(s)

We have very good large-scale evidence of what reducing speed does from Wales and London (amongst others). The fact that reducing speed limits from 30mph to 20mph doesn't reduce the average speed by 10mph doesn't mean there's no benefit in reducing the KSI.

 

[BoldonLad]

We have very good large-scale evidence of what reducing speed does from Wales and London (amongst others). The fact that reducing speed limits from 30mph to 20mph doesn't reduce the average speed by 10mph doesn't mean there's no benefit in reducing the KSI.

I don't doubt it, but, the graph was for Ottawa.

 

[briantrumpet]

I don't doubt it, but, the graph was for Ottawa.

The same laws of physics and physiology apply, whether it's Ottery or Ottawa. If you reduce speeds, KSI numbers reduce dramatically, not least as drivers have longer response times, and the damage to the human anatomy is hugely less, even more so in the case of children, IIRC.

Not that you knew him, but Manc33 claimed on Cake Stop that the laws of physics work differently in outer space. He also claimed that the Earth was flat. The two claims fall in the same category. Ditto Ottery and Ottawa.

 

[C R]

The same laws of physics and physiology apply, whether it's Ottery or Ottawa. If you reduce speeds, KSI numbers reduce dramatically, not least as drivers have longer response times, and the damage to the human anatomy is hugely less, even more so in the case of children, IIRC.

Sorry to nit pick. The response time is the same, but at lower speeds you travel less distance in the same time, so you have a better chance to stop on time. Also, the kinetic energy varies as the square of the velocity, so the kinetic energy of a car at 20mph has only 44% of the kinetic energy the same car would have at 30mph. The scaling of the kinetic energy with velocity is where the benefit comes from.

Disclaimer, the percentage was assessed on the fly, so the actual figure may be wrong, but it is thereabouts.

 

[briantrumpet]

Sorry to nit pick. The response time is the same, but at lower speeds you travel less distance in the same time, so you have a better chance to stop on time. Also, the kinetic energy varies as the square of the velocity, so the kinetic energy of a car at 20mph has only 44% of the kinetic energy the same car would have at 30mph. The scaling of the kinetic energy with velocity is where the benefit comes from.

Disclaimer, the percentage was assessed on the fly, so the actual figure may be wrong, but it is thereabouts.

Well, true, but I think my interpretation also works as at lower speeds you have de facto got more time before you hit someone - that's what I meant by 'response time', anyway. Yes, the 'square of the velocity' is why the dramatic change in survival rates with 'just' a 10mph reduction.

As I mentioned, the thing that was interesting about the Ottawa data was the continuing reduction over the three years, suggesting a longer term in modified behaviour, but only as long as the penalties remained in force (hence the explosion once the threat was removed).

 

[First Aspect]

Is this policy one of Doug Ford's ideas? He's entertaining when he houses with Trump, but overall a lunatic as far as I can tell. I'll blame him anyway, just because.

 

[briantrumpet]

Not exactly breaking news, but it's the 90th birthday of Margaret Calvert, who designed two of the most iconic fonts ever, 'Transport' and 'Motorway', and a lot of the other signage still in use sixty years after she designed them.

 

[briantrumpet]

Is this policy one of Doug Ford's ideas? He's entertaining when he houses with Trump, but overall a lunatic as far as I can tell. I'll blame him anyway, just because.

Yes.

Killing and injuring Ottawa citizens to own the libs. You know it makes sense.

 

[briantrumpet]

Not exactly breaking news, but it's the 90th birthday of Margaret Calvert, who designed two of the most iconic fonts ever, 'Transport' and 'Motorway', and a lot of the other signage still in use sixty years after she designed them.

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Ha, brilliant cake, and what a smile!