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[briantrumpet]

The thing is, all those issues have to be satisfactorily addressed as part of a planning application. The supporting documents will include reports covering all of those issues e.g. a flood risk assessment has to demonstrate that the site isn't at risk of flooding and that it won't increase the risk of flooding elsewhere, a transport statement or assessment will consider the impact on existing junctions and any mitigation measures required, non-motorised accessibility, proximity to public transport. Contributions have to be made to increase school or GP capacity based on established assessment criteria. Objectors seem to think the houses just get built with no wider consideration.

Quite so. It always looks like the objectors have gone to a standard list of general possible grievances and copied and pasted them, thinking that it's some magic formula for overturning a process that's already gone through a lot of hoopes.

 

[icowden]

On a related note, the local campaign group against a proposed solar farm decided to go around yesterday puttng leaflets on every car windscreen in the area including those on private drives. I'm still totally perplexed why they are making such a fuss as there are probably only around 10 houses at most that have a genuine visual impact and the site is just low-grade grazing land. I might contact them to ask why they feel they have the right to leave their litter on people's private property.

It always surprises me that more farmers aren't going for elevated solar so that they can utilise the land underneath the panel for growing of crops as well.

 

[Psamathe]

Tiptop nimbyism in action at Ottery St Mary. Will probably be overturned by central government, as it's just using the same tired excuses for not meeting their obligations. And taxpayers will foot the bill for the legal machinations. @Pross will nod wearily, I suspect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c232gzejp9ro

"Plans for a major housing development on the edge of a Devon town have been thrown out after hundreds of objections. Almost 600 people objected to the plans for 140 homes on the boundary of Ottery St Mary. About 50 members of the public went to the planning meeting at East Devon District Council on Tuesday and expressed concerns ranging from traffic congestion to impact on the sewage system and the loss of agricultural land. A council report said there was a severe housing land supply shortage but councillors rejected the plans despite warnings of a possible appeal against the decision."

Depends on the situation. One local village to me has sewage in the streets in winter and manhole covers spew water, toilet paper, crāp, horrible. In one place single track road on a walk little choice but to walk through it. Happens through every winter from longer than I've been in the area (ie 18+ years). Anglian Water blame Highways, Highways blame Anglian Water, both accept a serious issue but neither will sort anything out. So new developments mean even more shīt in the streets yet despite objections from affected Parish Councils Planners still approve new residential developments (whose toilet output will end-up on the streets).

Madness.

 

[Psamathe]

On a related note, the local campaign group against a proposed solar farm decided to go around yesterday puttng leaflets on every car windscreen in the area including those on private drives. I'm still totally perplexed why they are making such a fuss as there are probably only around 10 houses at most that have a genuine visual impact and the site is just low-grade grazing land. I might contact them to ask why they feel they have the right to leave their litter on people's private property.

An interesting report from RSPB about Solar Farms

The good news is that a growing body of evidence suggests that solar farms can be beneficial to nature when they are not built on sites that are already important for wildlife and when they are managed to help wildlife. The RSPB has conducted research that found solar farms with a mix of habitats can support higher numbers of birds than nearby intensively farmed cropland and solar farms where there is little habitat. Several studies have also found that solar farms managed with nature in mind can boost pollinator numbers.
(from https://www.rspb.org.uk/helping-nat...ess/nature-and-climate-emergency/solar-energy)

 

[icowden]

Quite so. It always looks like the objectors have gone to a standard list of general possible grievances and copied and pasted them, thinking that it's some magic formula for overturning a process that's already gone through a lot of hoopes.

On the flip side, it would be nice if promises on planning were actually observed post planning. For example at my local sports centre there was a lot of nimbyism when plans were put in for a new running track, football stadium and practice pitches. The development has minimal visual impact and is a great resource for local schools and sports groups.

One of the points of contention was the floodlights for the running track and stadium, and their impact on wildlife and local residents. It was promised that the floodlights would be switched off by 9pm. I'm not sure if this got written into the planning, but the floodlights are routinely on until much, much later.

 

[Pross]

Quite so. It always looks like the objectors have gone to a standard list of general possible grievances and copied and pasted them, thinking that it's some magic formula for overturning a process that's already gone through a lot of hoopes.

This is a genuine objection response to a site I'm working on (brownfield former factory). It's a direct copy and paste other than where I've redacted details:

I object to the proposed planning for [redacted] site.
as I have owned my house for over 20 years there is no houses overlooking my property, with the plans you have put forward there will be 3 story houses for social housing overlooking my property and therefor my privacy will be impacted as we have children and we live in a cult de sac. There is also a lane going to be put at the bottom of my garden which I object to as it will have kids causing trouble and more than likely doing drugs and drinking and causing havoc.
The parking down [redacted] is also a problem and putting an entrance on [redacted] will cause more problems. The roundabout at the top of [redacted] is a massive issue of flooding and the more houses that are built in this supposed village will have a huge impact on the main road in and out of [redacted]. there has been quite a few accidents at the roundabout as people do not give way.
what about the environmental impact of noise and dust effecting nearby residents.
and if you put more houses on the site there is a good chance our houses could be flooded.
so I strongly object to this site and plan.especially with the 3 story houses for for social housing at the back of my property this needs to be moved elsewhere, like the main high street.

That dangerous roundabout with quite a few accidents has one recorded personal injury collision (slight) recorded in the 26 years of available data and that was in 2001 so any 'accidents' have been minor bumps. The site is also one of the few places in the area that isn't within Flood Zone 2 or 3 (coastal flooding) and any flooding at the roundabout will be ponding due to inadequate highway drainage rather than genuine flooding. As for the environmental impact of noise and dust, I guess we'd better not build anything.

 

[Pross]

On the flip side, it would be nice if promises on planning were actually observed post planning. For example at my local sports centre there was a lot of nimbyism when plans were put in for a new running track, football stadium and practice pitches. The development has minimal visual impact and is a great resource for local schools and sports groups.

One of the points of contention was the floodlights for the running track and stadium, and their impact on wildlife and local residents. It was promised that the floodlights would be switched off by 9pm. I'm not sure if this got written into the planning, but the floodlights are routinely on until much, much later.

You can always look up the planning conditions and report them for enforcement if they aren't complying.

 

[AndyRM]

This is a genuine objection response to a site I'm working on (brownfield former factory). It's a direct copy and paste other than where I've redacted details:

I object to the proposed planning for [redacted] site.
as I have owned my house for over 20 years there is no houses overlooking my property, with the plans you have put forward there will be 3 story houses for social housing overlooking my property and therefor my privacy will be impacted as we have children and we live in a cult de sac. There is also a lane going to be put at the bottom of my garden which I object to as it will have kids causing trouble and more than likely doing drugs and drinking and causing havoc.
The parking down [redacted] is also a problem and putting an entrance on [redacted] will cause more problems. The roundabout at the top of [redacted] is a massive issue of flooding and the more houses that are built in this supposed village will have a huge impact on the main road in and out of [redacted]. there has been quite a few accidents at the roundabout as people do not give way.
what about the environmental impact of noise and dust effecting nearby residents.
and if you put more houses on the site there is a good chance our houses could be flooded.
so I strongly object to this site and plan.especially with the 3 story houses for for social housing at the back of my property this needs to be moved elsewhere, like the main high street.

That dangerous roundabout with quite a few accidents has one recorded personal injury collision (slight) recorded in the 26 years of available data and that was in 2001 so any 'accidents' have been minor bumps. The site is also one of the few places in the area that isn't within Flood Zone 2 or 3 (coastal flooding) and any flooding at the roundabout will be ponding due to inadequate highway drainage rather than genuine flooding. As for the environmental impact of noise and dust, I guess we'd better not build anything.

Can't have social housing anywhere near my palace... What would the neighbours think?

Well, your new ones will probably think you're a barely literate bellend, but they'll never see this so you're probably safe.

 

[Psamathe]

... with the plans you have put forward there will be 3 story houses for social housing overlooking my property ...

Reality in my experience is that there won't be the Social Housing. Developers will realise they can make higher profits selling those designated properties at full market value, apply to Planners who "roll-over" and bye-bye social housing.

 

[Pross]

Reality in my experience is that there won't be the Social Housing. Developers will realise they can make higher profits selling those designated properties at full market value, apply to Planners who "roll-over" and bye-bye social housing.

They've changed from a previous application with 30% social to a new one for 100% social (this was the basis of another, more literate, objection). I'm assuming the developer has a deal with a social housing provider. Getting out of social provision has become much harder than it was (as has providing 'enclaves' of social housing in the least desireable parts of the site0. The expectation now is that the social provision is spread around the site.

 

[First Aspect]

Tiptop nimbyism in action at Ottery St Mary. Will probably be overturned by central government, as it's just using the same tired excuses for not meeting their obligations. And taxpayers will foot the bill for the legal machinations. @Pross will nod wearily, I suspect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c232gzejp9ro

"Plans for a major housing development on the edge of a Devon town have been thrown out after hundreds of objections. Almost 600 people objected to the plans for 140 homes on the boundary of Ottery St Mary. About 50 members of the public went to the planning meeting at East Devon District Council on Tuesday and expressed concerns ranging from traffic congestion to impact on the sewage system and the loss of agricultural land. A council report said there was a severe housing land supply shortage but councillors rejected the plans despite warnings of a possible appeal against the decision."

What's the political split of the council?

Fwiw South West Water are effectively a sewage storage and release company so there could be some merit in opposing plans until there is actually somewhere other than the River Otter to take a poo.

 

[Ian H]

This is a genuine objection response to a site I'm working on (brownfield former factory). It's a direct copy and paste other than where I've redacted details:

I object to the proposed planning for [redacted] site.
as I have owned my house for over 20 years there is no houses overlooking my property, with the plans you have put forward there will be 3 story houses for social housing overlooking my property and therefor my privacy will be impacted as we have children and we live in a cult de sac. There is also a lane going to be put at the bottom of my garden which I object to as it will have kids causing trouble and more than likely doing drugs and drinking and causing havoc.
The parking down [redacted] is also a problem and putting an entrance on [redacted] will cause more problems. The roundabout at the top of [redacted] is a massive issue of flooding and the more houses that are built in this supposed village will have a huge impact on the main road in and out of [redacted]. there has been quite a few accidents at the roundabout as people do not give way.
what about the environmental impact of noise and dust effecting nearby residents.
and if you put more houses on the site there is a good chance our houses could be flooded.
so I strongly object to this site and plan.especially with the 3 story houses for for social housing at the back of my property this needs to be moved elsewhere, like the main high street.

That dangerous roundabout with quite a few accidents has one recorded personal injury collision (slight) recorded in the 26 years of available data and that was in 2001 so any 'accidents' have been minor bumps. The site is also one of the few places in the area that isn't within Flood Zone 2 or 3 (coastal flooding) and any flooding at the roundabout will be ponding due to inadequate highway drainage rather than genuine flooding. As for the environmental impact of noise and dust, I guess we'd better not build anything.

"Cult de sac" - bed-ridden Jesus freaks or scrotum worshippers?

 

[Pross]

"Cult de sac" - bed-ridden Jesus freaks or scrotum worshippers?

That was probably my favourite.

 

[briantrumpet]

"Cult de sac" - bed-ridden Jesus freaks or scrotum worshippers?

'I'm a Balliever', as the Monkeys sang.