Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[Psamathe]

Widely held opinions about billionaires such like Trump, Musk & co, global corporates, pollution and climate change were all warned about in letters - letters written by Bin Laden. How's that for an uncomfortable truth?

I have no idea about the Bin Laden aspect but human race does seem very good at identifying threats and very bad at addressing them even when we know how to address the threats, have necessary technology, etc.

I remember many years ago in my education we were taught about antibiotic resistance, mechanisms, causes, impacts, solutions, etc. And over the many years since then with authorities all but ignoring the issue, so what I was taught has been happening. Rather than address the issue we've just watched what was expected develop until now it's a major issue.

Ian

 

[Psamathe]

Google suggests £260M this year for Aria. Might be a total spend and when it's gone it's gone. Dunno.

When it was formally established in 2023 Gov. stated £800 m but no timescales or recurring mentioned.

Ian

 

[First Aspect]

Just getting to grips with the notion that Bin Laden was a bit like a Just Stop Oil protester. There's no such thing as bad publicity, eh?

 

[Psamathe]

No one is proposing to put pollutants into the atmosphere. The general idea is to scatter light, for which any suitably sized particulate will do. It's no more dangerous than the effects of a volcano on global temperatures.

Sulphur compounds is the favoured technology from what I've read. But then most if what I've read is highlighting the madness for no viable solution. Seems to me we need to rapidly stop burning stuff releasing climate crisis pollutants.

Ian

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

There's a certain factor that is shared between this and other threads and also between letters of warning.

Widely held opinions about unnamed billionaires such like Trump, Musk & co, global corporates, pollution and climate change were all warned about in letters - letters written by Bin Laden. How's that for an uncomfortable truth?

And before any twisters try to think to post that means I support terrorism as appropriate action, think again.

Well to be honest, that's things we often see for example, Kadaffi warned for the mass influx off immigration we saw a few years back. World leaders would like us to believe it's all black and white but in fact there are much more shades of grey in between. A other giving the current US goverment abolishment of climate policies strange thing is that Musk with Tesla has especially in the US done more for the climate then many many others.
Not only because of Tesla, but also because he made the electric car cool again.
i'm still not convinced electric cars are the best overall solution i think liquid hydrogen electric has much better chances but still. even now Red necks who where mocking electric cars earlier now buy electric to ''support'' Tesla and those who dump Tesla because of Musk are more likely to move to an decent electric car company. (like Rivian in the US)

 

[First Aspect]

Sulphates. Inorganic salts. And what is a pollutant in the upper atmosphere differs from down here. Ozone, for example. Nasty stuff if you breathe it in, not considered a bad thing a few miles up.

 

[monkers]

I have no idea about the Bin Laden aspect but human race does seem very good at identifying threats and very bad at addressing them even when we know how to address the threats, have necessary technology, etc.

Nobody wants to hear from Bin Laden, and completely understandably so

I have no idea about the Bin Laden aspect but human race does seem very good at identifying threats and very bad at addressing them even when we know how to address the threats, have necessary technology, etc.

Do we have the backbone to read the letters of Bin Laden today? Are we afraid to read that he made valid points? I simply tend to overlook the God stuff as I have no faith in any of it. I am imagine or rather assume that the reference to ''God's law'' is a reference to usury.

Here is a snippet from one letter.

I direct my talk specifically to those who support real change, especially the youth. I say from the onset: Your former president warned you previously about the devastating Jewish control of capital and about a day that would come when it would enslave you; it has happened. Your current president warns you now about the enormity of capital control and it has a cycle whereby it devours humanity when it is devoid of the precepts of God's law (Shari’a). The tyranny of the control of capital by large companies has harmed your economy, as it did ours, and that was my motivation for this talk. Tens of millions of you are below the poverty line, millions have lost their homes, and millions have lost their jobs to mark the highest average unemployment in 60 years. Your financial system in its totality was about to collapse within 48 hours had not the administration reverted to using taxpayer's money to rescue the vultures by using the assets of the victims. As for us, our Iraq was invaded in response to pressure from capitalists with greed for black gold, and you continue to support the oppressive Israelis in their occupation of our Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities. An observer of the policies of the new administration realizes that the change is tactical and not strategic; it does not at all agree with the change you seek.

I have my own way of summing up the motivations of the opposing sides of Judaism and Islam - Profit vs Prophet - astonishing as both are rooted in Abrahamic religions, and both Semetic peoples.

 

[Psamathe]

Nobody wants to hear from Bin Laden, and completely understandably so

Do we have the backbone to read the letters of Bin Laden today? Are we afraid to read that he made valid points?

Personally I have only limited time which in practice means I don't even get to read enough of stuff I find fascinating. So for me it's not about wanting to hear nor backbone, just time and priority.

Ian

 

[monkers]

Personally I have only limited time which in practice means I don't even get to read enough of stuff I find fascinating. So for me it's not about wanting to hear nor backbone, just time and priority.

Ian

The snippet really wasn't that long. The point is that these threads are showing a change of opinion on a range of topics especially now that Trump has returned to the Whitehouse. I've had this realisation that although the name Bin Laden leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth, much popular opinion being expressed is now closer to the sentiment expressed by Bin Laden than it is to Trump.

Opinions are sure to vary, but I felt a need to say it.

 

[briantrumpet]

The snippet really wasn't that long. The point is that these threads are showing a change of opinion on a range of topics especially now that Trump has returned to the Whitehouse. I've had this realisation that although the name Bin Laden leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth, much popular opinion being expressed is now closer to the sentiment expressed by Bin Laden than it is to Trump.

Opinions are sure to vary, but I felt a need to say it.

One of the benefits of a good forum mix is different people looking at different sources and voicing opinions on them, so others can follow them up (or not) and reflect on them.

 

[Psamathe]

The snippet really wasn't that long. The point is that these threads are showing a change of opinion on a range of topics especially now that Trump has returned to the Whitehouse. I've had this realisation that although the name Bin Laden leaves an unpleasant taste in the mouth, much popular opinion being expressed is now closer to the sentiment expressed by Bin Laden than it is to Trump.

Opinions are sure to vary, but I felt a need to say it.

I wasn't meaning time in relation to your snippet, more your comment about reading the letters (as in plural).

I do find religions interesting but more from a perspective of the behaviour of adherents. And I do have the impression that there are broad differences eg I seem to get on well with buddhist monks, they are a good laugh (even when you have no language in common) and very open and generous. I've invariably found visiting mosques people really friendly and welcoming (provided you respect conventions), I even got invited in at end of one Friday prayers and offered these weird looking clear crystals to eat ... Some religions less welcoming of non-adherents.

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

I have my own way of summing up the motivations of the opposing sides of Judaism and Islam - Profit vs Prophet - astonishing as both are rooted in Abrahamic religions, and both Semetic peoples.

What do you mean by Judaism is motivated by profit?

 

[monkers]

One of the benefits of a good forum mix is different people looking at different sources and voicing opinions on them, so others can follow them up (or not) and reflect on them.

I tend to agree. All folk are free to spend their time as they please. However it is a strange one when a person spends longer reading the post and then typing a reply, rather than simply reading the snippet. Seems strange to me, but that's just me.

 

[Psamathe]

I tend to agree. All folk are free to spend their time as they please. However it is a strange one when a person spends longer reading the post and then typing a reply, rather than simply reading the snippet. Seems strange to me, but that's just me.

As I said, my reply about limited time was in the context of you comment on reading his letters (plural) and having tbe backbone (as indicated by my quotes before my comment), NOT in relation to your snippet.

Ian

 

[monkers]

What do you mean by Judaism is motivated by profit?

I didn't say that Judaism is motivated by profit. That's another of your inventions.

Christianity, Judaism and Islam all have Abrahamic backgrounds, each declaring usury a sin. Christianity and Judaism have embraced usury. Islam still declares it a sin. Usury is a system of profit. It has become a fundamental difference between these religious groups.

I do not subscribe to any of these religions or any other.