Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[First Aspect]

Do you mean when they campaigned to stop new oil/gas licences, and then the Gov did what they asked?

No I don't mean that, I mean naming storms after those particular companies.

But on that point you made, Just Stop Oil were responsible for that policy were they?

 

[First Aspect]

ha ha! Next you'll be against all restrictions on drgus/knifes/gun sales: it's the users who are the problem!

[ok, I think I'm done for now .. time to find some other idiots ... ]

This isn't a remotely sensible analogy.

I think you'll be in good company.

 

[matticus]

Look, anyone on the internet in the last few years has been through all this before. The chances are that you're both d1ckheads, but let's cut to the chase to be sure:
- Do you believe our fossil fuel usage is driving climate change?
- Do you think there is any value in protest groups trying to make the world better less worse?

 

[PurplePenguin]

Look, anyone on the internet in the last few years has been through all this before. The chances are that you're both d1ckheads, but let's cut to the chase to be sure:
- Do you believe our fossil fuel usage is driving climate change?
- Do you think there is any value in protest groups trying to make the world better less worse?

It's still possible to criticise the ways in which people protest. For example, I remember one climate change protest taking over the junction by Bank. This meant they disrupted electric buses and cyclists (junction is closed to everyone else) which seemed to miss the point to me. Of course, they would argue that it made me aware of them. Perhaps that's their point, but I think being made aware of the issues rather individuals has more merit.

For example, I would like to see rogue tree planting. Parliament square would be great for this.

 

[matticus]

It's still possible to criticise the ways in which people protest. blah blah blah

I wasn't talking to you. Why reply to my comments now?

Why not comment on the named storms post? Show me your praise for "Good Climate Protest" - unless you're commenting in bad faith, surely not ...

 

[PurplePenguin]

My sincere apologies for interrupting.

 

[First Aspect]

I would echo what PP just said. That way you can reply to him.

 

[First Aspect]

Okay so we learnt about fish galloping last week. Is there a term for the style of arguing where the respondent with whom you disagree replies by asserting you disagree with a much broader principle?

An example would be one of my former bosses, when I queried some pointless bit of internal admin, asked me if I disagreed with all of the firms systems, policies and procedures. I said no, just that form.

There must be a term for this.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Okay so we learnt about fish galloping last week. Is there a term for the style of arguing where the respondent with whom you disagree replies by asserting you disagree with a much broader principle?

An example would be one of my former bosses, when I queried some pointless bit of internal admin, asked me if I disagreed with all of the firms systems, policies and procedures. I said no, just that form.

There must be a term for this.

It's a strawman argument, isn't it?

 

[matticus]

I have nothing useful to say about the Climate Crisis.

FTFY.

 

[BoldonLad]

Is arguing/debating the merits of fossil fuel usage, on the internet, powered by Electricity, using devices, the construction of which consume further fossil fuels, helpful? 🙂

 

[matticus]

Is arguing/debating the merits of fossil fuel usage, on the internet, powered by Electricity, using devices, the construction of which consume further fossil fuels, helpful? 🙂

Just let me know where you would like to debate it. (It needs to be somewhere that the other experts on the thread will follow us to, don't forget.)

See you there soon? x

 

[First Aspect]

It's a strawman argument, isn't it?

Google tells me you are right. Thank you.

Professionally I use "straw man" in a different way, to mean arguing on behalf of someone else who wishes to remain anonymous.

Anyhow, since you don't agree with Just Stop Oil superglueing their privates to a road, are you a climate change denier?

 

[First Aspect]

FTFY.

I confess that much of your argument has sailed right under my head.

 

[matticus]

Professionally I use "straw man" in a different way, to mean arguing on behalf of someone else who wishes to remain anonymous.

So you get lots of things wrong? Forgive me not being shocked.