Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[briantrumpet]

Would it be more interesting if it was toga-approved?

I think it's actually interesting that it's not - they had a certification/accreditation process for most logical fallacies and gave them foreign names.

As a fallacy, the identification and name of straw man arguments are of relatively recent date, although Aristotle makes remarks that suggest a similar concern.

 

[matticus]

they had a certification/accreditation process for most logical fallacies and gave them foreign names.

That sounds a hideous combination - I'm sure all good CycleChatters would agree!

 

[First Aspect]

I think it's actually interesting that it's not - they had a certification/accreditation process for most logical fallacies and gave them foreign names.

Perhaps it didn't meed the threshold of "logical" in the ancient world?

 

[briantrumpet]

Perhaps it didn't meed the threshold of "logical" in the ancient world?

Maybe my use of 'logical' is incorrect, but you can be pretty sure that people have been trying to win arguments with every trick in the book since verbal communication evolved into words & language as we think of it. We're a devious lot, us humans.

 

[First Aspect]

Maybe my use of 'logical' is incorrect, but you can be pretty sure that people have been trying to win arguments with every trick in the book since verbal communication evolved into words & language as we think of it. We're a devious lot, us humans.

Or deviant, for those of us with jerk mates.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Maybe my use of 'logical' is incorrect, but you can be pretty sure that people have been trying to win arguments with every trick in the book since verbal communication evolved into words & language as we think of it. We're a devious lot, us humans.

In the late 17th century, John Locke first used the phrase argumentum ad verecundiam. This has come to mean Argument from Authority. The Greeks and Romans didn't name that one either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

This thread seems to embrace views from all level of experts.

 

[BoldonLad]

Interesting that the Greeks didn't really identify it as a thing, nor did it get a Latin name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Is that interesting?, or, infuriating that you can't include it in your repertoire of foreign words? 😂

 

[BoldonLad]

Ah. The old 'you can't protest because you're wearing a nylon jacket' argument.

If you say so, but, I was thinking in more practical terms, ie actually doing something

 

[First Aspect]

In the late 17th century, John Locke first used the phrase argumentum ad verecundiam. This has come to mean Argument from Authority. The Greeks and Romans didn't name that one either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

This thread seems to embrace views from all level of experts.

Er... Track 10, Jagged Little Pill?

 

[matticus]

If you say so, but, I was thinking in more practical terms, ie actually doing something

You don't think debate is important? Or do you want to drive to an agreed spot to discuss it? An internet forum seems low impact compared to old-fashoined international summits.

[and at the risk of broken-record-syndrome ... are you in favour of people actually doing something?]

 

[First Aspect]

You don't think debate is important? Or do you want to drive to an agreed spot to discuss it? An internet forum seems low impact compared to old-fashoined international summits.

[and at the risk of broken-record-syndrome ... are you in favour of people actually doing something?]

Depends. Doing things like blocking roads, vandalising paintings, interrupting sporting events and otherwise annoying the people you are trying to persuade is counter productive.

 

[BoldonLad]

You don't think debate is important? Or do you want to drive to an agreed spot to discuss it? An internet forum seems low impact compared to old-fashoined international summits.

[and at the risk of broken-record-syndrome ... are you in favour of people actually doing something?]

If they are minimising their own hypocrisy, yes. One simple way in which everyone could minimise the impact of the human race, on the planet, is to practice effective birth control.

 

[Pblakeney]

Look, anyone on the internet in the last few years has been through all this before. The chances are that you're both d1ckheads, but let's cut to the chase to be sure:
- Do you believe our fossil fuel usage is driving climate change?
- Do you think there is any value in protest groups trying to make the world better less worse?

I made it perfectly clear in my initial post that oil is used for more than fuel. Strawman.
Protests are only of any use if you have a solution/alternative.

 

[Ian H]

Depends. Doing things like blocking roads, vandalising paintings, interrupting sporting events and otherwise annoying the people you are trying to persuade is counter productive.

They said that about the Suffragettes too.

 

[Ian H]

I made it perfectly clear in my initial post that oil is used for more than fuel. Strawman.
Protests are only of any use if you have a solution/alternative.

So it's all or nothing? Reducing, rather than eliminating, dependence on oil won't help?