Climate Crisis: Are we doing enough?

[briantrumpet]

Okay. Relatively cooler. Happy?
FWIW, I’ve been in the Dolomites and Alps for the past few weeks and it’s been dammed hot. Mid to high 30s, feels like 45.
It has been considerably hotter in Paris.

It's probably a relief to central Parisians that Hidalgo has transformed a lot of streets with more greenery etc and fewer cars to reduce the heat island effect of built infrastructure soaking up radiated heat then radiating it itself. They've started doing the same in Valence too.

 

[matticus]

Okay. Relatively cooler. Happy?
FWIW, I’ve been in the Dolomites and Alps for the past few weeks and it’s been dammed hot. Mid to high 30s, feels like 45.
It has been considerably hotter in Paris.

But riders will get considerably hotter on a 2h climb in the Alps, than racing round the Paris criterium stage.
[If we're playing palmares Top Trumps, I've overheated climbing in Alps, Pyrenees and Massif Central!]

 

[Pblakeney]

But riders will get considerably hotter on a 2h climb in the Alps, than racing round the Paris criterium stage.
[If we're playing palmares Top Trumps, I've overheated climbing in Alps, Pyrenees and Massif Central!]

No need for top trumps. I’m just providing actual current evidence.
It is cooler in the mountains than the valleys. “No shĩt Sherlock.” 😉

 

[Rusty Nails]

But riders will get considerably hotter on a 2h climb in the Alps, than racing round the Paris criterium stage.
[If we're playing palmares Top Trumps, I've overheated climbing in Alps, Pyrenees and Massif Central!]

If we're  really playing palmares top Trump's, I can genuinely say I have never overheated climbing in the Alps. Pyrenees or Massif Central.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

If we're  really playing palmares top Trump's, I can genuinely say I have never overheated climbing in the Alps. Pyrenees or Massif Central.

What's the criteria?
I cycled over Ventoux in 40 degree heat, then had a pint of Heineken which tasted really good. With hindsight I might have been suffering some sort of heat derangement.

 

[Pblakeney]

What's the criteria?
I cycled over Ventoux in 40 degree heat, then had a pint of Heineken which tasted really good. With hindsight I might have been suffering some sort of heat derangement.

The derangement was only having the one. 😉

 

[Psamathe]

A few times I've been daft enough to ride long enough in such heat that you get to the point that you can't seem to satiate your thirst however much you drink, and even worse if your water bottle has heated up. ...

I'm terrible at drinking whilst cycling. Last week in NL when KNMI (Royal Dutch Meteorological Institute) issued their first ever "Red Extreme Heat Warning" I was still cycling at 13:00 having departed very early and despite having a full water bottle in my continuous line of sight had drunk nothing. I was like I'd just been for a swim in the canal and didn't have a towel. After pitching tent went to supermarket and sitting outside drunk 1L of almond milk (which I find easier than water).

Same for all the recent very hot days.

I recognise I must get in the habit of drinking whilst cycling (but just worked out how to disable the "Time to drink" pop-ip warnings on my Garmin as they were annoying me.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

Red Warning issued for most of southern England today.

Load of rubbish this climate change nonsense though, eh?

Climate change has always been a fact how much of it is human intervention is the next question.

Loads of comments to schools closing etc. around here along the lines of "it's summer, what do you expect". They just don't get the point - today could be the hottest day ever recorded in the UK so it's not just a summer day. That beats the previous record just 4 years ago, along with the various driest / wamest / wettest seasons or years on record in the past few years both nationally and globally.

I would counter that what we know about the climate needs to be seen over centuries and then we can see that in blocks of 100 years the climate has gone all over the place, we the past 20th century was relatively quiet.
I personally due believe we humans have a large part in climate change but we must not ignore the fact that the climate always changes, and also the companies so called leading the "fight" against climate change, are also the ones who have caused it, so that should be an extra reason to be carefull about any claims made etc.

I think one thing that does make a noticeable difference to heat tolerance is proper hydration, and I don't think many people understand just how much you need to drink for that. As a regular cyclist and having ridden in extreme heat it gives you a clear idea. In 30+ degrees I would say an adult should be drinking at least 3 litres of liquid in a day. I drank 3 of water plus another 2 litres of other liquids yesterday, have already drank 3.5 litres today. I imagine most don't get close to that amount.

Yes water is an very important and most poeple do not drink enough, with 30 degrees plus i think most people especially when active should be well over 3 liters. during a heatwave.

 

[matticus]

If we're  really playing palmares top Trump's, I can genuinely say I have never overheated climbing in the Alps. Pyrenees or Massif Central.

Looks like only YOU are playing top Trumps. You're currently in the Hot Seat*, we'll see if any other posters depose you!

*Sorry, mixing analogies with bike races ...

 

[briantrumpet]

Looks like only YOU are playing top Trumps. You're currently in the Hot Seat*, we'll see if any other posters depose you!

*Sorry, mixing analogies with bike races ...

Maybe Mr Nails has never ridden in the Alps, Pyrenees or Massif Central, at least in the summer...

 

[Pross]

Maybe Mr Nails has never ridden in the Alps, Pyrenees or Massif Central, at least in the summer...

I'm pretty sure that was the point he was making

 

[briantrumpet]

I'm pretty sure that was the point he was making

I've never been able to give up smoking.

 

[icowden]

I've never been able to give up smoking.

I was never able to start. The lounge fog from my dad's pipe put me off for life!

 

[briantrumpet]

I was never able to start. The lounge fog from my dad's pipe put me off for life!

So you can't give up either.

 

[First Aspect]

Climate change has always been a fact how much of it is human intervention is the next question.

I would counter that what we know about the climate needs to be seen over centuries and then we can see that in blocks of 100 years the climate has gone all over the place, we the past 20th century was relatively quiet.
I personally due believe we humans have a large part in climate change but we must not ignore the fact that the climate always changes, and also the companies so called leading the "fight" against climate change, are also the ones who have caused it, so that should be an extra reason to be carefull about any claims made etc.


Yes water is an very important and most poeple do not drink enough, with 30 degrees plus i think most people especially when active should be well over 3 liters. during a heatwave.

Climate does change. But an analogy might be to the speed of a car; if you slow down in a normal way it is easier for everything on board to cope with than if you use a wall do so.