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briantrumpet
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Ahem, wrong Andy.
The joys of the ignore function
Correct Andy - the non-bot RM version started the other poll that I'd missed.
Digital ID: yes or no?
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Correct Andy - the non-bot RM version started the other poll that I'd missed.
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briantrumpet
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I've still got my old paper version (1992, when I last moved), so that's not going in a jersey pocket. I've got a ICE phone number (not the Trump version of ICE) on my lockscreen, plus a bank card.
Pblakeney
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I guess that I should have been clearer. My drivers license card for ID, and a bank card for cafe stops. 😉
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briantrumpet
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I was going to change to the card option until someone pointed out that, unlike the paper version, it would have to be replaced every 10 years. My paper version will be 42 years old (if I don't lose it) when it expires in 2034. It's worth keeping, if only for the reaction from some car hire people abroad, who look at it and handle it like it's a Dead Sea Scroll, and have trouble believing that it's actually a valid driving licence.
secretsqirrel
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briantrumpet
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Haha, sorry, I stand corrected - I'd seen the first post and assumed that he'd posted the poll.
That would explain why I'd missed it: blissful ignorance.
All uphill
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Here's an issue where I have an initial reaction - sounds like a good idea, and am open to being persuaded.
Psamathe
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Maybe the issue is compulsion. I have no objection with you having and even carrying a (Digital) ID - provided you and others wanting it pay for the system and don't expect me to conttibute. Just that I won't be having one.
Psamathe
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Many aspects but one thing you might consider is cost. Labour are keeping the 2-child benefir cap and ever increasing child poverty because we don't have the money to pay for it to be repealed. To remove the 2-child benefit cap would cost between £1.3bn to £3.8bn (different estimates from different sources). Last time Labour started their ID card system it cost us £4bn and never got to the point of cards being issues (ie would have cost more0.
so how come we can afford an ID card system that will solve nothing and can't afford to address child poverty. Have Labour got their priorities right?
nb ID cards have not addressed illegal working in France where they have a reported 300,000 "sans-papiers" yet illegal working seems Starmer's justification for everybody having a "Brit Card".
First Aspect
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This would struggle to get through in this parliament anyway. I don't see it as something they would necessarily end up needing to budget for until the next GE, which some might regard as meaning never.
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briantrumpet
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I've gone from staunch anti to now thinking "might as well" or even "that would be handy", given that I suspect Google probably even knows what time of the day I take a dump, and proving loads of stuff (travel tickets & discount cards) is routinely done via phones. It makes the "What's the first line of your address and date of birth?" question before they insert things or chop you open in a hospital feel rather outdated.
I'm assuming (possibly foolishly) that phone biometrics are pretty secure, given that Aple & Google Wallets rely on them, and it would be a worldwide issue if it wasn't secure enough.
Rather more secure than typing passwords that have to be remembered into a computer terminal.
First Aspect
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7.45 am, after coffee?
I just googled it.
I just googled it.
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briantrumpet
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We're not disagreeing with that, even if it were to work on that front (disputable), but that's not an argument to say they might not be useful in other aspects, not least if it could be shown to be genuinely multi-purpose and more secure than paper-based tools.
I'm still amazed at how quickly QR codes have taken over so many functions, and how reliable the gadgets are that make the systems work.
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briantrumpet
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Shït !! 💩💩
Amusingly, that's pretty accurate this morning, though pre-coffee.
Check your Google settings, or try Copilot next time.
Psamathe
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I suppose also thast without a pretty significant turnaround in Labour Starmer won't be leader, probably change in good time for his replacement to establish themselves before the next General Election.
And I can't see Starmer/McSweeny trying to out-Reform Reform working and Brit Card is no more than an Reform driven policy.
