Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[CXRAndy]

Let's de-criminalize drugs

Create a generation of bed wetters

https://www.theguardian.com/society...nagers-wet-the-bed-uk-first-specialist-clinic

 

[AuroraSaab]

By 2018, Portugal’s number of heroin addicts had dropped from 100,000 to 25,000. Portugal had the lowest drug-related death rate in Western Europe, one-tenth of Britain and one-fiftieth of the U.S.

The article you linked is more cautious than you suggest. It's clear that the decriminalisation has reduced overdose deaths but it was accompanied by a huge health push and an increased supply of methadone, replacing heroin, to addicts. Decriminalisation is only part of the success story.

 

[monkers]

Yougov doing its thing - exploring voting strategies and outcomes.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWIdfmWBYjU

 

[Stevo 666]

Any large pharma company would be delighted to increase their production of synthetic opioids. Where do you think the pain relief drugs used in palliative care come from?

Working with addicted people and providing safe alternatives to the substances they depend on will hurt suppliers.

They might, but not sure how you can say comfortably who we will need to deal with to get the drugs to sell to the addicted, especially in the volumes lilely to be required if we legalise.

 

[Stevo 666]

By 2018, Portugal’s number of heroin addicts had dropped from 100,000 to 25,000. Portugal had the lowest drug-related death rate in Western Europe, one-tenth of Britain and one-fiftieth of the U.S. HIV infections from drug use injection had declined 90%. The cost per citizen of the program amounted to less than $10/citizen/year while the U.S. had spent over $1 trillion over the same amount of time. Over the first decade, total societal cost savings (e.g., health costs, legal costs, lost individual income) came to 12% and then to 18%.


No one has suggested this. You seem to have dreamed it up yourself.

So where are they going to get cocaine and heroin from?

 

[bobzmyunkle]

So where are they going to get cocaine and heroin from?

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzx!

 

[icowden]

So where are they going to get cocaine and heroin from?

You won't believe this, but Pharmaceutical companies can make it, both in normal form and in medically safe alternatives such as methodone.
They don't send someone out to hang out on a street corner for big Dave with a suitcase full of readies.

 

[First Aspect]

You won't believe this, but Pharmaceutical companies can make it, both in normal form and in medically safe alternatives such as methodone.
They don't send someone out to hang out on a street corner for big Dave with a suitcase full of readies.

I have been told that methodone is not that safe and is also extremely addictive.

That aside, the legalisation/licensing route (which is what I assume you are alluding to by referring to pharma companies) is a huge step from where we are and would in any case still leave illegal unlicenced versions and unlicenced chemical variants. Which one would imagine would be both cheaper than the licenced and taxed equivalents, and not subject to limits on form, consumption, prescription or the like.

So, on the basis that alcohol, tobacco and weed is already bad enough, does this point more to decriminalisation rather than full legalisation?

 

[icowden]

I have been told that methodone is not that safe and is also extremely addictive.

Yes, "safe" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It is, however, safer than street heroin.

That aside, the legalisation/licensing route (which is what I assume you are alluding to by referring to pharma companies) is a huge step from where we are and would in any case still leave illegal unlicenced versions and unlicenced chemical variants. Which one would imagine would be both cheaper than the licenced and taxed equivalents, and not subject to limits on form, consumption, prescription or the like.

Why? We already license production of opiates and cannabinoids?

So, on the basis that alcohol, tobacco and weed is already bad enough, does this point more to decriminalisation rather than full legalisation?

Decriminalisation is better than legalisation.

 

[First Aspect]

Honestly, the licensing model will never keep up with chemistry or reality. I'm also not completely convinced that any drug company would want to be associated with, for example, recreational heroin. Please inject responsibly.

 

[icowden]

Honestly, the licensing model will never keep up with chemistry or reality. I'm also not completely convinced that any drug company would want to be associated with, for example, recreational heroin. Please inject responsibly.

No-one has suggested recreational heroin. What has been suggested is that a legal, safe dose of heroin under supervised conditions in a place which encourages reduction in doseage and rehabilitation is better than a dodge dose from the streets taken in a back alley.

 

[First Aspect]

No-one has suggested recreational heroin. What has been suggested is that a legal, safe dose of heroin under supervised conditions in a place which encourages reduction in doseage and rehabilitation is better than a dodge dose from the streets taken in a back alley.

Drug rooms. Yes. Agree.

 

[All uphill]

Honestly, the licensing model will never keep up with chemistry or reality. I'm also not completely convinced that any drug company would want to be associated with, for example, recreational heroin. Please inject responsibly.

Is there such a thing as recreational use of any opioid, including heroin?

My understanding is that the main purpose of opioid use is in pain relief, and to manage the effects of addiction. They don't produce a high, but ease physical and emotional pain.

 

[Ian H]

Is there such a thing as recreational use of any opioid, including heroin?

My understanding is that the main purpose of opioid use is in pain relief, and to manage the effects of addiction. They don't produce a high, but ease physical and emotional pain.

I recall a couple of my acquaintance who were both professionals, owned their own house, and were both heroin addicts. Also a lawyer not far from here who ran his own law firm specialising in criminal law, and scored off his own clients. A friend worked for him. He eventually managed to fatally overdose (the dangers of unregulated supply, you see). His obituary was a masterpiece of double-meaning - if you knew.

 

[Bromptonaut]

No-one has suggested recreational heroin. What has been suggested is that a legal, safe dose of heroin under supervised conditions in a place which encourages reduction in doseage and rehabilitation is better than a dodge dose from the streets taken in a back alley.

Wasn't that what happened in the past before Methadone was substituted for Heroin?