Does anybody here take the Greens seriously?

[Rusty Nails]

In any case I suspect the Green parliamentary party - such as it is - will do what Labour has done in the past and ignore unwelcome conference votes.

Given that most of those who go to (any) party conferences are at the nuttier fringes of the party that's not a bad thing.

 

[monkers]

Given that most of those who go to (any) party conferences are at the nuttier fringes of the party that's not a bad thing.

GPEW voters can vote in person at conference or on-line since about 2020 (certainly since Covid).

 

[briantrumpet]

GPEW voters can vote in person at conference or on-line since about 2020 (certainly since Covid).

In which case, it seems an extraordinarily low number of votes (>3000) for such a contentious motion that's had so much publicity, given a membership of 230,000.

 

[briantrumpet]

In which case, it seems an extraordinarily low number of votes (>3000) for such a contentious motion that's had so much publicity, given a membership of 230,000.

Oh yeah, I'd missed this.

Which suggests that of those 230k members, most (about 99%) were either oblivious about what 'their' party was up to, or didn't care enough to vote.

 

[C R]

There's at least one good thing to come out of this, everyone forgot about the tory party conference.

 

[monkers]

Oh yeah, I'd missed this.

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Which suggests that of those 230k members, most (about 99%) were either oblivious about what 'their' party was up to, or didn't care enough to vote.

Entryism has been an ongoing problem for GPEW for a few years. In 2015 there was an ejection of new entrants from the Labour party with views that conflicted with party values. Many of those were said to have found there way into the Green Party. There have been many flashpoints.

 

[AndyRM]

Ban a Jew from entering Israel.

Next level f*ckwittery.

 

[C R]

Ban a Jew from entering Israel.

Next level f*ckwittery.

Only zionist jews are proper jews, you should know that by now.

 

[C R]

With all the hoolabaloo, could someone explain how zionism is not racism?

 

[briantrumpet]

With all the hoolabaloo, could someone explain how zionism is not racism?

This isn't a bad explainer from someone who is strongly anti-Netanyahu.

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...zionism-motion-attempt-tell-jews-how-to-think

The great Israeli writer and peacenik Amos Oz used to describe it as a family name, an umbrella for a wide range of radically different worldviews. Before Israel’s founding in 1948, you’d have cultural Zionists slugging it out with religious Zionists, Marxist Zionists raging against rightwing militaristic Zionists, all of them wholly at odds with the dominant group: socialist Zionists. What they had in common was the simple belief that Jews had the right of self-determination in their ancestral homeland, the land they had for millennia called Eretz Yisrael, the Land of Israel, and which the rest of the world called Palestine.

To this day, that’s essentially what it means to be a Zionist – that you believe in a Jewish national home in some portion of historic Palestine. There are rightwing Zionists who think it should be in all of that land; there are leftwing Zionists who think it should be broadly within the much smaller boundaries that existed before the 1967 war and alongside a Palestinian state. But both groups are Zionists. The racist minister Itamar Ben-Gvir is a Zionist, but so are many of the Jewish and Israeli anti-occupation activists who volunteer to act as a “protective presence”, putting their own bodies between settler extremists and Palestinian villagers in the West Bank. To brand everyone under that one umbrella as a racist shows a deep ignorance of what the word Zionism means and the sheer range of people who identify with it.

 

[AndyRM]

With all the hoolabaloo, could someone explain how zionism is not racism?

It 100% is. It's fascist bullsh!t.

 

[First Aspect]

Like so many Green party policies this strikes me as at best simplistic and naive. Charitable they've settled on a particular definition of Zionism and based the motion upon it. The elephant in the room is thst if Green zealous A supports this motion based on their own definition of the word, they dont actually know whether Green zeolot B agrees with them based on the same definition, or whether they are actually speaking to an antisemite.

The UK Green party isn't even an effective campaign group for environmental issues, let alone a credible political party.

Perhaps this will lead to some type of growing up. Because they must surely realise somewhere in that party that there's a fine line between ultrademocracy and mob rule.

 

[briantrumpet]

Like so many Green party policies this strikes me as at best simplistic and naive. Charitable they've settled on a particular definition of Zionism and based the motion upon it. The elephant in the room is thst if Green zealous A supports this motion based on their own definition of the word, they dont actually know whether Green zeolot B agrees with them based on the same definition, or whether they are actually speaking to an antisemite.

The UK Green party isn't even an effective campaign group for environmental issues, let alone a credible political party.

Perhaps this will lead to some type of growing up. Because they must surely realise somewhere in that party that there's a fine line between ultrademocracy and mob rule.

Exactly this. Just at a time when their voice ought to be more important than ever.

 

[AndyRM]

FFS.

Read Judenstaat.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

Exactly this. Just at a time when their voice ought to be more important than ever.

Stay fluffy Greens.

Read Judenstaat

Yeah but that's political Zionism. What about the more amorphous, nicer Zionism that we can conflate with the nasty Zionism, much in the same way we can conflate anti-zionism with anti-semitism?