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briantrumpet

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It was much more pronounced and swift in Germany. Look for instance at what happened to the Mathematics department of the University of Göttingen, this Stack Exchange post is a good start.

Engineering was encouraged in so far as it was needed for building up the military, but the ideological push for "German Science" meant that many of the scientists that could bring real new developments, not just improvements on what already existed, were kicked out of their positions, and either left or were interned. Note that a few of them ended up un the Manhattan project. In effect, kicking out physicists that worked on "jewish" quantum mechanics and relativistic physics ensured that Germany didn't have the expertise to develop a nuclear bomb.

The US is not quite there yet, but it is catching up quickly.

Regarding whether the effect is reversible. After the war Germany did recover its scientific lead to some extent, but German society as a whole never espoused the kind of anti intellectual attitudes that seem so prevalent in the US. Who knows if a return to sanity in the US government will be enough to reverse the outflow that is starting.

Yep, it's the deep pushback against science and education in the US which I think is unparalleled. If it becomes entrenched, then I can't see the US recovering its place in my lifetime: it'll be several decades at best, as Germany showed, even without a prejudice against science per se as we see in Trumpism.
 

Pblakeney

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The US is not quite there yet, but it is catching up quickly.
Trump 2.0 is only 6 months in. The progress and apparent acceptance (to date) is astonishing.
 
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briantrumpet

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Trump 2.0 is only 6 months in. The progress and apparent acceptance (to date) is astonishing.

Well, Project 2025 used Trump Mk1 as the testing ground for what they needed to do to make Trump Mk2 effective. To give them due, they have succeeded pretty well in their methods and aims, though they got their supine Supreme Court in Mk1, so it wasn't a total failure on their part.

I'd like to be around long enough to see if and how this quasi dictatorship ends and how history records it. I suppose one should be grateful that they haven't (yet) marked it with a world war (I think Hitler would have been better with maps than Trump and most of America), but America is likely to pay a heavy economic, health and social price if it doesn't change course soon.
 

briantrumpet

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I'm sure it's just unfortunate coincidence that bits of the US Constitution which Trump is trampling have disappeared from the official website that explains the Constitution.

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briantrumpet

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If I were a cartoonist I'd make a comparison with the Ten Commandments that Trump and his minions ignore whilst professing to be Christian.
 
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CXRAndy

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Trump threatening a 39% tariff on Switzerland !?
Plus more tariffs in the EU (this, after doing a deal ) on pharmaceutical products.

How does any business operate on fluctuating grounds?

I thought you said the deal would take decades to ratify?
 

briantrumpet

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Hell, why not kill two birds with one stone?

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Apparently J D Vance got the authorities to raise the level of the Ohio river to give him a nicer experience

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/06/jd-vance-ohio-lake-water-levels

Reminded me of what used to happen when Franco went salmon fishing near where I grew up. They would ban fishing for a few days before the visit and lower the river level, so the salmon were effectively trapped, and he always got nice catches.

https://www.lavozdegalicia.es/notic...co-franco-pescaba-ulla/0003_201804D1C6992.htm

(in Galician, but Google translate does a good job)
 
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