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Ianonabike

New Member
Which bit was debateable?
So much hinges on the framing...

That the MAGA are trying to characterise the killer as left wing?
That doesn't mean they're wrong. It seems to me Robinson was indeed listing left by traditional metrics (bearing in mind that I try to avoid the whole left/right thing, as mentioned upthread. All this eagerness to put people into a box.) Meanwhile his motives remain unproven, i.e., debatable.

That they are really working hard to capitalise on the murder?
Another soft fact. Politicians playing politics shocker.

That Trump was more interested in building a ballroom than the murder?
It was a bizarre pivot, but it hardly proves that. Trump loves messing with the press.

That capitol rioters wanted to hang Mike Pence and were not left wing?
While I find it hard to believe in this day and age anyone seriously thought they were going to get a chance to literally hang Pence, I'm not going to deny that the threat of violence was real, though Trump said Pence was safe, and isn't stupid enough to actually think Americans would stand for something as crazy as that. And before anyone says Trump is the epitome of stupid, you don't elected president twice by being an idiot.

I'm hardly condoning MAGA. I just don't like having narratives pushed on me as accepted wisdom. Better to be skeptical, even about things I might agree with. Call it the look carefully before you leap principle.

That's just leftie speak for 'we don't like your viewpoint'. You'll get used to it.
Are there any centrists about? Then again as some poet or another said, the centre cannot hold. We do seem to be living in an apocalyptic time.

Funny thing, they keep bitching about the person/s on ignore.
The 'ignore' function seems to be overheating this evening...
I think even people you seemed destined to always disagree with or who promise to be a waste of time can provide food for thought. That said, I'm also giving it a whirl, clicking "show ignored content" on a case-by-case basis.

Those rejoicing on the cancellation of Kimmel's show, and complain about Nazi Germany comparisons may want to read about E. O. Plauen.
History doesn't repeat it rhymes, etc. But I can't be the only one who misses the good old days when Godwin's Law got a more regular airing.

The most incredible irony in all of this is that I genuinely believe Charlie Kirk would have been appalled at Kimmel's silencing. I am not saying this to be glib or make a joke, I honestly think he would have absolutely upheld Kimmel's right to speak and would have been angry that his death was being used to polutically weaponise free speech.
As I've said, I don't think he should have been fired. What's gobsmacking to me is that many people online seem more upset at Kimmel losing that platform than Kirk losing his life.
 

CXRAndy

Squire
Like doctors?

25% of doctors in the USA are international and need an HB visa.

They'll just leave.

If they are already there, they won't leave. Doubt a doctor will blink at $100k cost.

Why dont US train more home grown doctors, like the UK should.

There are limits to qualify British doctor per year, train more raise these limits
 

Cirrus

Well-Known Member
If they are already there, they won't leave. Doubt a doctor will blink at $100k cost.

Why dont US train more home grown doctors, like the UK should.

There are limits to qualify British doctor per year, train more raise these limits
I thought it was the employer that paid for the visa not the employee, I could however be wrong.
 
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Stevo 666

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Are there any centrists about? Then again as some poet or another said, the centre cannot hold. We do seem to be living in an apocalyptic time.

There a few, but things do seem to be getting more polarised.

Also there are some who call themselves centrist but their postings would indicate that they are lefties.
 
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It might be splitting hairs, but I'd prefer it if people just used the more generalised term 'fascists', given there are more example of those for comparison.

I agree, but I was specifically pointing out that Goodwin himself has said that his "law" doesn't quite apply in a blanket fashion any more.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
There a few, but things do seem to be getting more polarised.

Also there are some who call themselves centrist but their postings would indicate that they are lefties.

From someone who apparently can only see lefties or righties that really is funny. Your final sentence highlights the hypocrisy of your response.
 

Pinno718

Über Member
So much hinges on the framing...


That doesn't mean they're wrong. It seems to me Robinson was indeed listing left by traditional metrics (bearing in mind that I try to avoid the whole left/right thing, as mentioned upthread. All this eagerness to put people into a box.) Meanwhile his motives remain unproven, i.e., debatable.


Another soft fact. Politicians playing politics shocker.


It was a bizarre pivot, but it hardly proves that. Trump loves messing with the press.


While I find it hard to believe in this day and age anyone seriously thought they were going to get a chance to literally hang Pence, I'm not going to deny that the threat of violence was real, though Trump said Pence was safe, and isn't stupid enough to actually think Americans would stand for something as crazy as that. And before anyone says Trump is the epitome of stupid, you don't elected president twice by being an idiot.

I'm hardly condoning MAGA. I just don't like having narratives pushed on me as accepted wisdom. Better to be skeptical, even about things I might agree with. Call it the look carefully before you leap principle.


Are there any centrists about? Then again as some poet or another said, the centre cannot hold. We do seem to be living in an apocalyptic time.



I think even people you seemed destined to always disagree with or who promise to be a waste of time can provide food for thought. That said, I'm also giving it a whirl, clicking "show ignored content" on a case-by-case basis.


History doesn't repeat it rhymes, etc. But I can't be the only one who misses the good old days when Godwin's Law got a more regular airing.


As I've said, I don't think he should have been fired. What's gobsmacking to me is that many people online seem more upset at Kimmel losing that platform than Kirk losing his life.

What are you on?
What a load of bollox.
'I'll ignore people on a case by case basis'.. lol

"It was a bizarre pivot, but it hardly proves that. Trump loves messing with the press."

Trump doesn't care. The bizzarre bit is that he missed an opportunity to unify the right/stir the anti left propaganda/make himself look good but the cognitive decline is clear. There's no evidence he was messing with the press. The little boy has the Tonka trucks in to make a play room. There will be girls in pretty dresses dancing in there.

I'm not going to deny that the threat of violence was real, though Trump said Pence was safe, and isn't stupid enough to actually think Americans would stand for something as crazy as that.

Really? The insurrectionists (to which Trump pardoned) were shouting hang Pence (and others) and had built a mock gallows with a hangman's noose. They killed a policeman and injured others. They got into a fever and in that moment of fervour, were capable of anything. Trump encouraged them to go to DC but after that, I doubt he was conducting affairs. The mob had been wound up and set off.
He felt so aggrieved that he didn't win the presidency, he convinced himself and others that the election was fixed - Wolfe "Trump said after his first term, 'I left cash on the table'". It was a mob that hung Mussolini.

"are there centrists about?"
I am I think. I think predominantly, the left views on here are pretty moderate. I haven't seen anything particularly militant. I don't even view US Democrats as 'left', so the spectrum is skewed.

History doesn't repeat it rhymes, etc. But I can't be the only one who misses the good old days when Godwin's Law got a more regular airing.

I don't even know what you mean. Do you know what you mean?

As I've said, I don't think he should have been fired. What's gobsmacking to me is that many people online seem more upset at Kimmel losing that platform than Kirk losing his life.

I think the manner of Kirk's death was abhorrent. But as that eloquent pastor said "The way you die doesn't redeem how you live" and in that context, I couldn't give a stuff that he's dead. Kirk stood up for and exercised free speech and Kimmel exercises free speech. Kirk was never gagged. It's hypocrisy as clear as day. Kimmel's comments were pretty benign in comparison to the reams of the anti-left narrative - all unchecked, all un-censored and full of lies.
Herr Miller and Vance can publicly say [hosting what was the Kirk show] that the level of violent crime carried out by the left has reached epidemic proportions blah blah bullshit blah and all the evidence is to the contrary. Miller should be gagged for his vile, fascistic comments. The baldy little slimy weasel f*cker has deep anger issues probably because he can't get laid without paying his wife for it. Plus he's directly profiting by deporting people through Palantir. So he can ramp up the anti left rhetoric without concern because it assists in the profit margin. I digress.
 

Pblakeney

Über Member
Considering the scale of the Nazis' atrocities, I find most comparisons with Herr Trump extremely distasteful. Ultra nationalist? Yes. Virulent antisemite with a copy of Mein Kampf on his bedside table (not that he'd actually crack it open)? Not so much.

Try comparisons of Trump today and Hitler in 1933/34. That's where we are at.
The level of future atrocities are as yet unknown.
 
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