Donald I, emperor of the world.

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First Aspect

Veteran
Living in cloud cuckoo land.

USA is the largest consumer of world goods. Just about every country relies on a big portion of their GDP to make a living from the USA.
Yes, but that is diminishing and Trump is accelerating that process by making the US an untrustworthy trade partner.

Even if you somehow reason that by cashing in all this political capital there will be an economic bounce in the US (which doesn't seem to be the case, based on all of the statisticians he is having to sack) then this will be a dead cat bounce.

Big business being business will inevitably de-risk, and I believe that this will act as a handbrake on the US economy for many years to come, if not permanently.

Governments will do the same. It has probably escaped your notice that Canada and Mexico are working on improved trade deals, and that the UK entered into improved deals with India and the EU before any of these countries managed to do anything other than soften the landing of tarrifs with the US.
 

Psamathe

Guru
I think it's safe to say he came across as totally unhinged. And the world will react accordingly.
Too many world leaders (including UK/Starmer) react by flattery, state honours, giving Trump everything he wants and more, endless flatters, subservience, sycophancy, etc.

What world thinks is maybe less relevant than what a few of their leaders do.
 
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CXRAndy

Shaman
They may want more reciprocal trade without the USA, but their GDP is small and not sufficient to compensate for loss of US trade.

UK pretty much did what has been doing gave another country a free one way pass on trade and people movement to India. No real GDP benefit will be seen
 

First Aspect

Veteran
Too many world leaders (including UK/Starmer) react by flattery, state honours, giving Trump everything he wants and more, endless flatters, subservience, sycophancy, etc.

What world thinks is maybe less relevant than what a few of their leaders do.

No, a lot of world leaders express flattery with an end result in mind. I do not imagine Sir Keir and Donny will exchange birthday cards once he is out of office. Whereas I do imagine he's a figure of hate, fear and ridicule within most of the governments who seem to be pally with him.
 

briantrumpet

Legendary Member
No, a lot of world leaders express flattery with an end result in mind. I do not imagine Sir Keir and Donny will exchange birthday cards once he is out of office. Whereas I do imagine he's a figure of hate, fear and ridicule within most of the governments who seem to be pally with him.

It's probably just as well that Trump is completely unable to see behind the flattery: his narcissistic disorder is so complete he can't register that they are all playing him - he'll just hear the compliments.
 

CXRAndy

Shaman
No, a lot of world leaders express flattery with an end result in mind. I do not imagine Sir Keir and Donny will exchange birthday cards once he is out of office. Whereas I do imagine he's a figure of hate, fear and ridicule within most of the governments who seem to be pally with him.

That pretty much is the state of relationship between leaders, rarely do they become good friends.
 

Psamathe

Guru
Often when there is a long term disruptor within a group a breakaway group forms, maybe through a broad "special interest group", sometimes through new groups being setup.

Given that Trump has a lot of term left and with the potential that term might extend or that next term will be more of the same but from a different face, I wonder how long it will be before we start seeing new organisations starting without the disruptor(s). eg what about ETO (European version of NATO with the same undertakings), what about new aid organisations.

Doesn't mean the end of the existing organisation eg states could be members for both NATO and ETO, just that NATO becomes a bit irrelevant when you can't rely on specific members so ETO becomes the main interest.

Maybe for UN we wouldn't see such a new broad organisation forming but maybe specific aspects of the UN's work for responsibilities where the US is just making UN unable to achieve its aims.

And maybe last few days has made that prospect more likely eg US now the only UN Security Council member not recognising Palestinian State, maybe after the madness of Trump's speech to the UN showing the world he's "lost it", how fact is irrelevant, just prejudice and madness.
 

First Aspect

Veteran
We have a clear winner in the newly created Nobel prize for idiocy...

Nobel prize for Anecdotal Therapies?
 
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Pinno718

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From France 24. Reaction to Trump's screech at the UN, plus some other snippets:

'Deranged', 'incoherent', 'staggering'.

US President Donald Trump's speech at the UN General Assembly is a cover story for many international papers. The British media The Daily Mirror calls the speech "deranged". It summarises what the US president talked about for 56 long minutes – climate, migrants, Gaza, escalators, marble floors and teleprompters. French left-wing paper Libération has a strong headline that says "Trump is pissing off the world". It calls the speech "staggering", "violent" and "incoherent". Spanish daily El País believes Trump's aim is to "blow up the rules of the international game". Die Zeit agrees. The German magazine says that Trump's accusations are "becoming crazier every minute".

On the sidelines of the General Assembly, Trump also said that NATO countries should shoot down Russian aircraft violating their airspace. In the case of Denmark, authorities have not identified who is responsible for the drone incursion earlier this week. But Danish daily newspaper Politiken reports that the country has warned of the risk of hybrid attacks from Russia. "Is Denmark sufficiently prepared for war?" asks the newspaper. An analysis in Borsen, another Danish daily, says that due to Denmark's "unconditional" and "total" support for Ukraine, Copenhagen is an obvious target for Russia's hybrid warfare.

Turning to religion, French Catholic paper La Croix reports that northwestern Syria is reviving its Christian villages, 10 months after the end of the Assad regime. People there now can live without fear of persecution. The article reminds us that during Syria's civil war, half of the country's Christians – or around 700,000 people – were forced to flee.

The Catholic church, however, is facing a big problem, writes The Wall Street Journal: there are fewer priests every year. The paper says young men fear celibacy and are "paralysed" by "endless options", making committing to one path much harder.

Meanwhile, some TikTokers believe that the world was supposed to end this week, on September 23 or 24. But The Washington Post is sceptical. "If you’re reading this, the rapture probably didn’t happen (again)," reads its headline. TikTokers named the trend #RaptureTok – rapture is the prophecy that true believers will be taken to heaven before the end of the world comes. The Guardian reports on how they prepare for the apocalypse and some useful tips and tricks. Some sold their cars or even requested "eternity leave" from their employer.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member

So it is understandable that people have a go at wealthy people who also happen to be ar*eholes…because they are generally higher profile and more often in the news than poor people who are ar*eholes.

There are many billionaires who do not get the same criticism as Musk and Trump…because they generally do not use their platform for ar*eholery.

Simple concept to understand.
 
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