CXRAndy
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Sure, you just try it. I know from personal experience and from others. Business will almost always spoil a friendship
By all means go for it 👍
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Sure, you just try it. I know from personal experience and from others. Business will almost always spoil a friendship
By all means go for it 👍
I've. long history working in business (finishing last 10 years as a director of a plc). I stand by what I said based on many years experience.
Ian
CXRAndy
Veteran
Have you run your own business or worked as an employee. Different mindset
Yes. When a director of a plc I owned a significant %age of the company.
Business is not a "zero sum game". People can treat it as such but they will fail to realise the potential of the business when they do.
Ian
HMS_Dave
Regular
I do run my own small business. Im self employed.
I treat my suppliers with respect and occasionally they will call me with marked down offers. I know for a fact that they don't do that with everybody.
I don't know, maybe not acting like a dïck head and treating people like humans and not objects to exploit has helped...
But i am just a small business...
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Knowing the sort of stuff you post and the attitudes they show I can well believe that many of your business friendships have gone south.
Pinno718
Active Member
classic33
Me
The jury is still out on that bit.
icowden
Squire
- Hyatt Grand Central - Trump purchased and refurbished with $140mil of other people's money in 1979. He sold his stake in it for £140mil in 1996. Fail
- Plaza Hotel - Trump purchased with loans again. The hotel went bankrupt in 1992. The banks seized it in 1995 as he defaulted on loans (the default was $3bn - the banks involved agreed to debt restructuring that meant Trump wasn't bankrupt) Fail
- Trump International Hotel and Tower Chicago - again used to defraud the IRS and has significant debt - Partial Success
- Trump Tower - built by trump. Has a $100mil mortgage Fail
- Trump Building 40 Wall Street - lease purchased for $8 million. Trump has valued the building as being worth $1bn. Bloomberg estimate half that. He spent $35mil refurbishing and tried to sell for $400mil but had no buyers. He dodged $355 million of tax by telling tax officials it was worth $16million and is still being pursued for now $500mil of debt owed to the New York Courts who have threatened to seize the property. Fail
- Atlantic City Casinos Fail
- Harrah's - lost $70 mil had to pay someone to take over Fail
- Trump castle - bankrupt 1992 Fail
- Trump Taj Mahal - bankrupt - sold his yacht and airline to cover the debt Fail
- Trump entertainment resorts - went bankrupt - Fail
- Mar a Lago - purchased for $10mil after aggressively forcing the owner out of business. Now worth $300mil although again used to cheat taxes by misvaluing it. Property is financially solvent Win!!
- New Jersey Generals (Football League) - folded after Trump tried to force it to schedule at the same time as the NFL Fail
- Tour de Trump - lasted 6 years before Trump withdrew sponsorship Fail
- Eastern Air Lines Shuttle - closed after defaulting on loans Fail
- Miss Universe - lasted 19 years but was dropped after Trump made racist comments about Mexicans. Semi-Win
- Trump University - founded in 2004 it was a scam later taken to court as it was neither a University nor accredited for any of its courses. Lawsuits were settled for $25 million. It went out of business in 2011 due to lawsuits. Fail
- Donald J Trump Foundation - a charity misused by Trump. Closed in 2018 due to lawsuits and penalties. Fail
- Turnberry resort - failing (not profitable) Fail
- Trump Coco Beach Puerto Rico - bankrupt 2015 Fail
- Trump INternational, Doonbeg - Failing
- Trump International, Dubai - not completed. Currently on hold.
- ACN Inc - a Trump promoted MLM. Scheduled for trial - joint lawsuit against Trump, DOn Jr, Ivanka and Eric for fraud and racketeering - Fail
No - he has leveraged politics to gain wealth. That's why Mar a Lago isn't bankrupt yet
You don't understand the difference between not taking on work and losing money on existing work.
Or those who can see the failures because they are massively well documented.
Not on aggregate he hasn't.
CXRAndy
Veteran
Just two, but time is a great healer.
One couple who have done very well for themselves of which we are still financially linked want to move a little nearer to where we live when they soon retire.
The other couple we don't see much at all, we moved. They got themselves into debt, I was able to help them out with accommodation and finances.
briantrumpet
Active Member
I think your mistake is thinking that good words in the right order will make a difference. MAGA uses language like Humpty Dumpty:
Once that bond between observable truth and the words used to describe it is broken, there is no point in trying to have a discussion.
And anyway, as you all know deep down, you're all feeding this attention-seeking Humpty. You'll never 'win'... all we can hope is that, eventually, sense will win in the US, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Once that bond between observable truth and the words used to describe it is broken, there is no point in trying to have a discussion.
And anyway, as you all know deep down, you're all feeding this attention-seeking Humpty. You'll never 'win'... all we can hope is that, eventually, sense will win in the US, but it's gonna be a bumpy ride.
Pinno718
Active Member
The problem with MAGA's is that they are thick. The Chinese say "Never argue with a fool because people might not know the difference". Secondly, you can present them with evidence but they are so blinkered they'll tell you that evidence is WOKE leftist/Marxist propaganda or they dismiss it as unimportant even when the contradiction or hypocrisy is glaring.
However, we can present them with facts.
On the subject of electric cars:
“All Electric Car Lunacy” in with a number of political enemies that he said “are looking to destroy our once great USA. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL.”
Trump said of EVs: “They don’t go far. They cost a fortune.” He also suggested that the U.S. military was looking at making “Army tanks all electric” and scoffing, “you’re in the middle of the desert and you say, ‘You know what, we’re running low on electric. Do they have a charger around anywhere?’”
In November 2023, at a Claremont, New Hampshire, rally, Trump similarly picked up on distance being an electric vehicle issue: “You can’t get out of New Hampshire in an electric car.”
“Where are you going? ‘I’m going to Massachusetts.’ Well, you better get yourself a gas turbine because this car is not going to get you there," he said. “Well, you could, if you stop about four times.”
That followed his joke during an event in Clive, Iowa, the previous month: "Electric cars are good if you have a towing company."
Funny dat. Musk and Trump used a federal property to market Teslas. The Whitehouse turned into a car dealership. Illegal - a word Trump cannot even pronounce. An illegal act. It is illegal to use federal property for commercial purposes. It's okay to abuse and attempt to rip up the American Constitution 'cos it's our Donald, it's okay. We don't mind. He's doing a great job.
But the bigger picture is that Musk funded Trump's election campaign and then Musk gets a job high up in government. Nepotism. Plain, unashamed nepotism. A job for the (paying) boys. A ,massive conflict of interest. Slash taxes for the super rich and you MAGA's clap?! Musk is shooting you in the bollox and the MAGA's applaud. FFS. The US stock markets are reeling. Trump is the laughing stock of most of the world and probably Putin. What's it like being Putin's finger puppet Mr Trump?
Palm beach press conference: when asked about the January 6th insurrectionists: "We're looking into Hezbollah". Are you f*cking serious?! Pi$$ing on the loyal heads of those guys in the process who did it because Trump stirred them up and were loyal to him. But 'Hezbollah' ?!!
Hegseth: Former Fox news presenter. Served in the army. Totally unqualified to be US Secretary of defence
Musk: Paymaster, fascist. Illegally interfering with foreign politics by funding them such as the far right party in Germany who did not win the election (and Trump congratulated them via Truth Social for winning because he's thick). We'll take immigrants from Arica as long as they are white.
Vance: "I would rather hold my nose and vote for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump". Chameleon. Wouldn't trust him an inch.
I could list lots of these hypocrites.
Trump owes NY State $500m, he owes E Jean Carroll $83.5m. He was most likely to face imprisonment if he didn't get the presidency. He is sitting on the Epstein files of which there are thousands of documents - not some ring binder with the flight logs that was released a few years ago anyway. In those Epstein files is CC TV footage. Epstein had properties all over the world and they all had CC TV. Are you going to tell me that Trump is not on one of those CC TV recordings doing something he shouldn't have?
So Trump was in a corner. Surround yourself with sycophants and paymasters in return for tax cuts and govt, contracts: You pay for the election campaign, support me and i'll give you a nice job, reduce your taxes and give you govt. contracts.
Which leads me to the pill you will not swallow or may not even comprehend because you are thick. The big picture, the rise of fascism:
Project 2025. Here is a vessel who can win the populist vote, will not care what he says and meanwhile we can shred the institutions that maintain the fabric of the US so we can get power. Project 2025 is intrinsically linked with the extreme right wing and Christian Nationalists. That vessel is Trump. Project 2025 is the 4th Reich.
The only downside is that the Trumps and the Lutniks and the Vance's are not nearly as clever as the Germans and it's already falling apart at the seems on week 7.
The markets cannot keep up with the orange sh*t gibbon. Especially when he is now threatening 50% tariffs. You CXRAndy will pay the price for tariffs. Do you honestly think that "...tariffs will make America so rich, we'll have so much money we won't know what to do with it." ? If you do, it confirms the fact that you are thick and just like Trump, you do not understand basic economics. There is no way you run a successful business. It's bullsh*t.
Well, the people get the government they deserve.
However, we can present them with facts.
On the subject of electric cars:
“All Electric Car Lunacy” in with a number of political enemies that he said “are looking to destroy our once great USA. MAY THEY ROT IN HELL.”
Trump said of EVs: “They don’t go far. They cost a fortune.” He also suggested that the U.S. military was looking at making “Army tanks all electric” and scoffing, “you’re in the middle of the desert and you say, ‘You know what, we’re running low on electric. Do they have a charger around anywhere?’”
In November 2023, at a Claremont, New Hampshire, rally, Trump similarly picked up on distance being an electric vehicle issue: “You can’t get out of New Hampshire in an electric car.”
“Where are you going? ‘I’m going to Massachusetts.’ Well, you better get yourself a gas turbine because this car is not going to get you there," he said. “Well, you could, if you stop about four times.”
That followed his joke during an event in Clive, Iowa, the previous month: "Electric cars are good if you have a towing company."
Funny dat. Musk and Trump used a federal property to market Teslas. The Whitehouse turned into a car dealership. Illegal - a word Trump cannot even pronounce. An illegal act. It is illegal to use federal property for commercial purposes. It's okay to abuse and attempt to rip up the American Constitution 'cos it's our Donald, it's okay. We don't mind. He's doing a great job.
But the bigger picture is that Musk funded Trump's election campaign and then Musk gets a job high up in government. Nepotism. Plain, unashamed nepotism. A job for the (paying) boys. A ,massive conflict of interest. Slash taxes for the super rich and you MAGA's clap?! Musk is shooting you in the bollox and the MAGA's applaud. FFS. The US stock markets are reeling. Trump is the laughing stock of most of the world and probably Putin. What's it like being Putin's finger puppet Mr Trump?
Palm beach press conference: when asked about the January 6th insurrectionists: "We're looking into Hezbollah". Are you f*cking serious?! Pi$$ing on the loyal heads of those guys in the process who did it because Trump stirred them up and were loyal to him. But 'Hezbollah' ?!!
Hegseth: Former Fox news presenter. Served in the army. Totally unqualified to be US Secretary of defence
Musk: Paymaster, fascist. Illegally interfering with foreign politics by funding them such as the far right party in Germany who did not win the election (and Trump congratulated them via Truth Social for winning because he's thick). We'll take immigrants from Arica as long as they are white.
Vance: "I would rather hold my nose and vote for Hilary Clinton than Donald Trump". Chameleon. Wouldn't trust him an inch.
I could list lots of these hypocrites.
Trump owes NY State $500m, he owes E Jean Carroll $83.5m. He was most likely to face imprisonment if he didn't get the presidency. He is sitting on the Epstein files of which there are thousands of documents - not some ring binder with the flight logs that was released a few years ago anyway. In those Epstein files is CC TV footage. Epstein had properties all over the world and they all had CC TV. Are you going to tell me that Trump is not on one of those CC TV recordings doing something he shouldn't have?
So Trump was in a corner. Surround yourself with sycophants and paymasters in return for tax cuts and govt, contracts: You pay for the election campaign, support me and i'll give you a nice job, reduce your taxes and give you govt. contracts.
Which leads me to the pill you will not swallow or may not even comprehend because you are thick. The big picture, the rise of fascism:
Project 2025. Here is a vessel who can win the populist vote, will not care what he says and meanwhile we can shred the institutions that maintain the fabric of the US so we can get power. Project 2025 is intrinsically linked with the extreme right wing and Christian Nationalists. That vessel is Trump. Project 2025 is the 4th Reich.
The only downside is that the Trumps and the Lutniks and the Vance's are not nearly as clever as the Germans and it's already falling apart at the seems on week 7.
The markets cannot keep up with the orange sh*t gibbon. Especially when he is now threatening 50% tariffs. You CXRAndy will pay the price for tariffs. Do you honestly think that "...tariffs will make America so rich, we'll have so much money we won't know what to do with it." ? If you do, it confirms the fact that you are thick and just like Trump, you do not understand basic economics. There is no way you run a successful business. It's bullsh*t.
Well, the people get the government they deserve.
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