Donald I, emperor of the world.

[matticus]

report highlights the naivity of Musk & his tram

TBF, it's good to see him supporting public transport 👍

 

[briantrumpet]

With all the other madness DOGY has sort of faded from prominence but report highlights the naivity of Musk & his tram and their fake finding from lack of knowledge, arrogance, etc.

Ian

I don't think it was ever about the savings: they were just the pretext for smashing things both discriminately (AI searches for key 'woke' words) and indiscriminately (like the Tories just wanting to destroy 'the state' as much as possible in favour of private profit) and funnelling contracts his own way as well as sucking out shedloads of sensitive personal information on US citizens.

In their view, it's all positives.

 

[briantrumpet]

Or maybe her job is just to repeat what she is told by Trump and other officials. No aspect to truth and lies in her role as she's just a mouthpiece repeating the official line. Not for her to make any judgement about truth or accuracy?

Just a thought.

That said, were I in that position I'd make my own judgement as to the stories I was being passed and at some point I'd find being part of the farce morally unacceptable.

Ian

I think part of the job description, apart from being a MAGA blond doll with a cross hanging from the neck, is to excel in the exaggerated lies told from the podium, so freelancing in that direction would get a thumbs-up from Trump.

 

[First Aspect]

But they didn't pay the price. They received, essentially, a slap on the wrists.

If those crashes happened in London, Paris or New York instead of Indonesia and Ethiopia (sh*thole countries), you can bet that the Boeing executives would be stewing in jail on corporate manslaughter charges.

Boeing got away with murder because those killed were a different colour.

Financially I meant.

People should be in prison, I agree. Not because aircraft hit the ground as such, or no one would build them, but because it was so avoidable. There was also the rather suspicious death of a Boeing whistleblower.

Hard to say if their reputation will ever recover, or whether we are watching the slow demise. To be honest it depends whether there is another US company to take their place.

The USAF and NASA are also quite heavily reliant on Boeing so my hunch is they are too big to fail.

 

[All uphill]

Financially I meant.

People should be in prison, I agree. Not because aircraft hit the ground as such, or no one would build them, but because it was so avoidable. There was also the rather suspicious death of a Boeing whistleblower.

Hard to say if their reputation will ever recover, or whether we are watching the slow demise. To be honest it depends whether there is another US company to take their place.

The USAF and NASA are also quite heavily reliant on Boeing so my hunch is they are too big to fail.

Mentour Pilot has some balanced videos about Boeing on YouTube.

They (Boeing) seem to have quite a few challenges.

 

[briantrumpet]

Mentour Pilot has some balanced videos about Boeing on YouTube.

They (Boeing) seem to have quite a few challenges.

My perception is that profit took priority over safety as the over-riding focus of management (hence a crucial warning system being sold as a very expensive additional option), and people who 'raised questions' were side-lined. Reminds me a bit of the Challenger disaster, where, once they'd gone down the path of deliberately ignoring the awkward people who said "I don't think we should be doing this", they had no choice but to carry on the obfuscation to try to cover their tracks.

 

[Pblakeney]

Or maybe her job is just to repeat what she is told by Trump and other officials. No aspect to truth and lies in her role as she's just a mouthpiece repeating the official line. Not for her to make any judgement about truth or accuracy?

Just a thought.

That said, were I in that position I'd make my own judgement as to the stories I was being passed and at some point I'd find being part of the farce morally unacceptable.

Ian

Except that in some cases what she says is at odds with Trump. For example "This is not a negotiating strategy" v "This is a negotiating strategy".
That said, I do believe that she thinks she is repeating policy but that policy changes minute to minute.

 

[briantrumpet]

Except that in some cases what she says is at odds with Trump. For example "This is not a negotiating strategy" v "This is a negotiating strategy".
That said, I do believe that she thinks she is repeating policy but that policy changes minute to minute.

I don't think it matters too much, as the object is to keep sane people's heads spinning, and to make truth and the perception of it totally fluid.

 

[matticus]

I think part of the job description, apart from being a MAGA blond doll with a cross hanging from the neck, is to excel in the exaggerated lies told from the podium, so freelancing in that direction would get a thumbs-up from Trump.

From the lengthy bio-piece I read last week, I think she takes a lot more initiative than many Press Persons; so "freelancing" would indeed be encouraged, if it shows Trump in a good light, and/or butt-hurts the Libtards.

 

[AndyRM]

Sorry the deadline's passed...

 

[Pblakeney]

I don't think it matters too much, as the object is to keep sane people's heads spinning, and to make truth and the perception of it totally fluid.

Surely sane people just ignore her ramblings?

 

[Psamathe]

Except that in some cases what she says is at odds with Trump. For example "This is not a negotiating strategy" v "This is a negotiating strategy".

Maybe it was what she was told by Trump at her briefing yet 30 seconds later Trump changed his mind. Or maybe that Trump (or those briefing her) were doing the lying. Her job might be to be the medium through which information is passed rather than and editorial or validation role.

I think she comes across as something of a fool but that's personal opinion maybe based on bias, maybe on her message or maybe that she must realise much of what she's spouting is untrue so continuing in the role speaks volumes about her character. So I'm not trying to defend her, maybe just distinguishing between the message and the messenger.

Ian

 

[briantrumpet]

Surely sane people just ignore her ramblings?

It would be nice if everyone just ignored her, but as with all trolls, people quote her to say how wrong she is, and her messages seep through into public consciousness, however idiotic they are. And of course, MAGA lap it up: they don't care too much whether it's true or not, as long as the libtards get annoyed by it.

 

[First Aspect]

Mentour Pilot has some balanced videos about Boeing on YouTube.

They (Boeing) seem to have quite a few challenges.

It goes back to the odd decision for the board of the smaller party in the McDonell Douglas merger to end up leading the resulting merged company. They were by all accounts like an infection.

And yes there are problems. Boeing are continually pressuring critical suppliers on price, whereas Airbus are more under a single roof.

Boeing took the inexplicable decision, for example, to outsource fuselage and wing manufacture by spinning out a few factories into a separate company. They then drove down prices they pay to those companies, with inevitable consequences. Presumably this fuselage and wing construction was lower margin than module assembly and avionics, so it helped the bottom line for Boeing.

But there was no plan B.

They are now having to merge with the largest of them in order for either company to survive, because said spinout (Spirit AeroSystems) is the only place that makes the fuselages for Boeing's most important product, the 737, and is going bust.

There's already a long waiting list and without a supply of 737s, Boeing goes under, so they can't let Spirit go under.

It is a staggering 20 years of mismanagement.

 

[briantrumpet]

It goes back to the odd decision for the board of the smaller party in the McDonell Douglas merger to end up leading the resulting merged company. They were by all accounts like an infection.

And yes there are problems. Boeing are continually pressuring critical suppliers on price, whereas Airbus are more under a single roof.

Boeing took the inexplicable decision, for example, to outsource fuselage and wing manufacture by spinning out a few factories into a separate company. They then drove down prices they pay to those companies, with inevitable consequences. Presumably this fuselage and wing construction was lower margin than module assembly and avionics, so it helped the bottom line for Boeing.

But there was no plan B.

They are now having to merge with the largest of them in order for either company to survive, because said spinout (Spirit AeroSystems) is the only place that makes the fuselages for Boeing's most important product, the 737, and is going bust.

There's already a long waiting list and without a supply of 737s, Boeing goes under, so they can't let Spirit go under.

It is a staggering 20 years of mismanagement.

Thanks for all the detail - didn't know the spin-off aspect. It seems a bizarre mindset that losing control of an integral part of your business would be a beneficial strategy, from any aspect... it's not as if they'd have any choice about who to buy the bits from.