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I'm not religious now but from a distant memory it would have to be the Orthodox first since it was the Romans that put him on the cross.

The church split in two when the Roman empire split in two. The Eastern Roman empire became Byzantium, and the official church of Byzantium is what we call the orthodox church. The official church of the Western Roman Empire is what we call the catholic church.

I think the Roman bit that the protestants attach to the name confuses things. That Roman refers to the city, as seat of the pope, not the empire.
 

BoldonLad

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From a historical point of view, they and the orthodox were the first.

Yes, my vague understanding was/is that early on, there were various “branches” developed. At one stage, there were even two Popes, I believe.

Who decides which “branch” is the main trunk?

For the avoidance of doubt, it does not matter to me who or what they decide.
 

Pblakeney

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The church split in two when the Roman empire split in two. The Eastern Roman empire became Byzantium, and the official church of Byzantium is what we call the orthodox church. The official church of the Western Roman Empire is what we call the catholic church.

I think the Roman bit that the protestants attach to the name confuses things. That Roman refers to the city, as seat of the pope, not the empire.

Oh, I thought you meant Orthodox Jewish what with Jesus being a Jew and all that.
 
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Former Republican Congressman George Santos sentenced to 7 years in prison.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r838v4xddo
Some may recall that around 1/2 of Republicans who participated in the expulsion vote wanted the orange rapist's arse licker to remain in Congress.

Santos, an ardent supporter of President Donald Trump, has said that he would not ask the president for a pardon.

"If the president thinks I'm worthy of any level of clemency that is bestowed upon him, he can go ahead and do it, but for me to seek a pardon is to deny accountability and responsibility," Santos told the New York Times.

I think in football parlance that's what they refer to as a come and get me plea.
 

BoldonLad

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There were no Catholics then, just Christians. Later schisms resulted in various differently named sects, all claiming to be the true descendents.

Quite.

Once, in a moment of boredom, on a long train journey, I tried to convince my Roman Catholic pal, that, in fact, the Church of England as per Henry Eighth, was in fact "The Church". Needless to say, his total faith, honed since childhood kept him safe from my heretic thoughts. ;)
 

Pblakeney

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I'm going to guess that he has just handed the Canadian election to the Liberals.

"US President Donald Trump has posted on his Truth Social account, externalurging Canadians to vote towards becoming "the cherished 51st State of the United States of America".
"Elect the man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your taxes in half, increase your military power, for free, to the highest level in the World, have your Car, Steel, Aluminum, Lumber, Energy, and all other businesses, QUADRUPLE in size, WITH ZERO TARIFFS OR TAXES," he writes.
The US president calls to end an "artificially drawn line from many years ago", adding: "Look how beautiful this land mass would be."
He also says America "can no longer subsidize Canada with the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year that we have been spending in the past" unless it is a US state."
 
I'm going to guess that he has just handed the Canadian election to the Liberals.

"US President Donald Trump has posted on his Truth Social account, externalurging Canadians to vote towards becoming "the cherished 51st State of the United States of America".
"Elect the man who has the strength and wisdom to cut your taxes in half, increase your military power, for free, to the highest level in the World, have your Car, Steel, Aluminum, Lumber, Energy, and all other businesses, QUADRUPLE in size, WITH ZERO TARIFFS OR TAXES," he writes.
The US president calls to end an "artificially drawn line from many years ago", adding: "Look how beautiful this land mass would be."
He also says America "can no longer subsidize Canada with the Hundreds of Billions of Dollars a year that we have been spending in the past" unless it is a US state."

He missed “and burn belly fat in less than a week”.
 
There were no Catholics then, just Christians. Later schisms resulted in various differently named sects, all claiming to be the true descendents.

Didn't say there were. We were talking about origins though and the Catholic Church claims it's lineage through St Peter as the first Bishop of Rome so I'd still say they were/are the first organised Church from which others developed. 'True' is a different thing altogether.
 
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monkers

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A report on a recent meeting between Trump and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, by a WHITE HOUSE REPORTER, someone who was present in the room, quoted below:

From a WH Reporter:


“ I’ve covered a lot of Donald Trump's press conferences over the years. I’ve seen him lie, deflect, and embarrass himself in countless ways. But what I just witnessed in the Oval Office may have been the most off-the-rails, unhinged display yet.
Trump sat down with NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte — a serious figure there to talk about security and alliance unity — but Trump wasn’t interested in that. No, Trump used the opportunity to fantasize about annexing Canada. He actually said, “Canada only works as a state,” and gushed about how the U.S. would look on a map if we just erased the border and took Canada as our own. This wasn’t satire. This wasn’t a joke. This was the president rambling about absorbing another sovereign nation — while the NATO secretary general sat there watching this clown show unfold.
And it didn’t stop there. Trump started pushing the idea of conquering Greenland too, saying NATO might need to get involved in helping the U.S. take it over — as if it’s a game of Risk. He literally said we "need it for international security" and tried to rope NATO into his imperial fever dream. The look on Rutte’s face said it all.
Then, Trump pivoted to his usual bigotry. Instead of talking about defense cooperation or global security, Trump bragged about how he uses transgender people as political pawns to rile up his base before elections — saying Republicans should “bring it up a week before the election” to win votes. In other words, he openly admitted he sees cruelty and manufactured culture war nonsense as a campaign strategy. Despicable.
When asked about American small businesses hurting from tariffs, Trump did what he always does: lie and bluster. “You’re going to be so much richer,” he said. Meanwhile, Medicaid is being gutted, Social Security is under threat, and Trump’s billionaire cronies are cheering as the safety net burns.
Oh, and then Trump suggested we start sending drug dealers to the Netherlands — yes, you read that right — in a bizarre attempt at humor that landed more like a diplomatic insult, especially considering the NATO secretary general used to be the prime minister of the Netherlands.
He kept rambling about how the U.S. doesn’t need anything from Canada, said the European Union is “very nasty,” claimed we can’t sell cars in Europe (not true), and then told an utterly deranged story about how he “invaded Los Angeles” to turn on the water — another lie pulled from his fantasyland. What actually happened was that he diverted water from Northern California, destroying farmland and hurting his own voters in the process.
To top it off, he said our allies shouldn’t worry about Putin, brushing off any concerns about Russian aggression with a shrug.
Let me be blunt: This is not normal. This is not politics-as-usual. This is a dangerous, unstable person with authoritarian fantasies, spewing nonsense in front of our closest allies while the world watches.”
Keep speaking up. Don’t accept any of this as normal.
 
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