Donald I, emperor of the world.

[briantrumpet]

A week is a long time in Trump's addled brain.

 

[BoldonLad]

So I looked at an NI calculator, and $7500 is about £5600. You pay that much employee NI on a salary of about £180k. Well done Stevo.

If you are thinking of total contributions, you get to that level at a salary of more like £40k, (the total for £180k being more like £20k.)

I suppose the question is whether that's causing wage suppression, and if so by how much. Hard to know really, without comparing what you get for your £5600 in the US, so you know how much the equivalent to NHS cover would cost. The cost for comparison is also going to be wildly different if you have dependents, because for two kids your bill is more like £15k in the US isn't it.

Your notional £180k earner (let's call them Stevo or Stevette) is probably going to end up subsidizing others. So is that the sort of society you want to live in, or do you prefer the eat what you kill society in the US?

There are taxes other than Income Tax and NI, thunk VAT, Vehicle Excise duty, fuel duty, alcohol duty, insurance premium tax... the list goes on

 

[BoldonLad]

I'm lost in numbers. The median earner in the UK, roughly £28-£30k, roughly accounts for the average cost of the NHS per capita. And the NHS gets about 5 times as much from general taxation from that average earner (extremely roughly). Are there really 5 non earners for every earner in the UK?

Why do you think Rachel from Accounts was REALLY crying?

 

[BoldonLad]

That is because the numbers will always fail to spot the very thing we know - that tax in the UK is raised under the ethos of acceptance of collective responsibility under an essentially socialist structure. Those who don't wish to contribute tend to cite numbers that reflect transactional analysis - they don't accept the premise that we are all responsible for the elderly, those who can't work, those temporarily out of work, and children. All they see are their spreadsheets of income and expenditure with other people on and become bitter about it. The 'not my kids' is a principle argument, soon forgotten by the expectation of a state pension while conveniently forgetting that it is funded by other people's children once they in turn are working.

But, weren't the expectant, once the "other peoples children, funding the pensions of previous generation", I think it's called a pyramid scheme, or, something like that.

Sorry, I have to ask this, but, are you posting from beyond the grave? We were told in mid June that you had "passed" (to use the modern parlance) but, it would appear, you are still posting from the after life. My apologies for being direct, but, this is important to me, I may need to make last minute adjustments to my lifestyle, if, in fact there are pearly gates, or whatever, I may even to need to make a quick switch of religious "belief".

 

[briantrumpet]

Donald

Trump

Orange

Shitgibbon

It's not hard.

Or we'll have to release the @Pinno718 on miscreants. He's probably fashioning instruments of torture from Lego as I type...

 

[icowden]

Soory, I neust have to ask this, but, are you posting from beyond the grave? We were told in mid June that you had "passed" (to use the modern parlance) but, it would appear, you are still posting from the after life. My apologies for being direct, but, this is important to me, I may need to make last minute adjustments to my lifestyle, if, in fact there are pearly gates, or whatever, I may even to need to make a quick switch of religious "belief".

Monkers niece, N is now posting using Monkers account. I think she initially intended only to post to let us know the news and answer any questions, but is possibly now enjoying it while she sorts out the estate.

 

[BoldonLad]

Monkers niece, N is now posting using Monkers account. I think she initially intended only to post to let us know the news and answer any questions, but is possibly now enjoying it while she sorts out the estate.

Thank you. Nice to know I do not have to revise my view of "the after life" and, do not have to take up an appropriariate religious belief, and, can conitnue being a selfish bastard 😂

 

[Pinno718]

Okay, well,.in that case the numbers are off somewhere, because the US spends more on healthcare per capita than we do and has worse outcomes. $7500 per head doesn't come close.

Yes but I wonder how much of that is pharmaceutical costs.

pharmaceutical costs are generally higher in the US than in the UK. Studies and analyses have consistently shown that the US has significantly higher drug prices compared to the UK, with some findings indicating that prices are several times higher.

 

[Pinno718]

Yes I get all that, but there are more than three people working for every reitree, and fewer than one child. I think. So the numbers don't add up.

I wish I could recall correctly the facts in a podcast I listened to which it was said that you need 4 people working to fund care of the elderly and retirees.

 

[Pinno718]

I thought this thread was about the orange shitgibbon.

The f*cker is only 38 miles away from me. I can smell him.

 

[Pinno718]

It is.

There's a separate thread for general healthcare discussion, which might well include US die-if-you're-poor observations. https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/healthcare-models.757/

Thank you thread policeman.

 

[Pinno718]

I actually thought we were on that thread tbh. As it happens I'm bored now.

If the shitgibbon goes to Ailsa Craig it's to retrieve a ball he shanked of the tee. But that's not going to happen, because one of his personal guards has a supply of balls to ensure every drive landed on the fairway. They do a similar thing by putting loads of flags on each green so he ends up close to one of them.

What?! He can barely drive 50yds.

 

[First Aspect]

What?! He can barely drive 50yds.

He drives consistently in the 250-300 yard range. That's always where the security detail finds his ball.

 

[monkers]

It is.

There's a separate thread for general healthcare discussion, which might well include US die-if-you're-poor observations. https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/healthcare-models.757/

Aye, after 5200 posts it dared to stray to a related tangent. The relative merits of US and UK healthcare systems are not irrelevant so much as a cautionary tale. I'd say it has a place here, unless you think that we need another 5000 posts of insult invention?

 

[briantrumpet]

Thank you thread policeman.