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Given that they typically 'revoke nurses' licenses' by shooting them 12 times in the back while they choke, face down in the snow, this perhaps represents a degree of progress.
 
Have to agree with this... those allegations are uncorroborated in many cases, and one has to be a bit careful about giving ammunition to the MAGA denialists to pretend there's no truth in any of the allegations. I tend to raise an eyebrow when there are claims about babies being chopped up.

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Pross

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As you know, Brian, your link is of notes taken from anonymous callers to a telephone tip line set up about Epstein. From your quote:

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There is plenty to go at with Trump, and plenty of solid evidence from emails etc re Epstein, without posting stuff like this as though it is some sort of slam dunk.

The third one down in post 13101 caught my eye. I know it’s just a summary but seems extremely vague with a mention of a brief glimpse of a face that may have been Trump. This was always going to be the issue in releasing reams of background files as someone mentioned on here weeks ago.
 
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AuroraSaab

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I'm normally in favour of 100% transparency but releasing thousands of pages wholesale, including uncorroborated anonymous phoned in claims, will make people disregard everything. I don't see how this helps Epstein's genuine victims; their allegations will end up being given the same weight as malicious claims or gossip.

It would have been better just to release Epstein's emails, which do shed some light on his relationships with others. For example, hard to believe Mandelson didn't have £3k to pay his boyfriend's course fees but you can see how in paying them Epstein used his money to build a sense of obligation from those he helped, whether it was course fees, supplying Andrew with women, or supporting Sarah Feguson's business.
 

the snail

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I'm normally in favour of 100% transparency but releasing thousands of pages wholesale, including uncorroborated anonymous phoned in claims, will make people disregard everything. I don't see how this helps Epstein's genuine victims; their allegations will end up being given the same weight as malicious claims or gossip.

It would have been better just to release Epstein's emails, which do shed some light on his relationships with others. For example, hard to believe Mandelson didn't have £3k to pay his boyfriend's course fees but you can see how in paying them Epstein used his money to build a sense of obligation from those he helped, whether it was course fees, supplying Andrew with women, or supporting Sarah Feguson's business.

Well, complain to trump/maga - they're the ones who harped on about the epstein files endlessly.
 

CXRAndy

Pharaoh
Eh Democrats have been banging on about epstein forever. Hoping to hang something on Trump

The redacted photos of already released information claiming it was something dodgy.

All it did was backfire on the democrats, showing them to be liars for manipulating photos or documents.
 

Blazing Saddles

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I'm normally in favour of 100% transparency but releasing thousands of pages wholesale, including uncorroborated anonymous phoned in claims, will make people disregard everything. I don't see how this helps Epstein's genuine victims; their allegations will end up being given the same weight as malicious claims or gossip.

It would have been better just to release Epstein's emails, which do shed some light on his relationships with others. For example, hard to believe Mandelson didn't have £3k to pay his boyfriend's course fees but you can see how in paying them Epstein used his money to build a sense of obligation from those he helped, whether it was course fees, supplying Andrew with women, or supporting Sarah Feguson's business.

It’s standard practice within the US legal system. Create a haystack to hopefully hide any needles.
 
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I'm normally in favour of 100% transparency but releasing thousands of pages wholesale, including uncorroborated anonymous phoned in claims, will make people disregard everything. I don't see how this helps Epstein's genuine victims; their allegations will end up being given the same weight as malicious claims or gossip.

It would have been better just to release Epstein's emails, which do shed some light on his relationships with others. For example, hard to believe Mandelson didn't have £3k to pay his boyfriend's course fees but you can see how in paying them Epstein used his money to build a sense of obligation from those he helped, whether it was course fees, supplying Andrew with women, or supporting Sarah Feguson's business.

You've seen through the plan.
 

AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
Well, complain to trump/maga - they're the ones who harped on about the epstein files endlessly.

Both Republicans and Democrats were pretty keen to bang on about Epstein when they thought the other side were the only ones who were going to look bad in the disclosures.

Turns out both liberal and conservative figures are implicated - which is as you'd expect really as Epstein was interested in staus and influence, and possibly having something to use as leverage. He doesn't seem to have cared what their politics were, only what they could provide him with (and vice versa of course).
 
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