EU & Brexit Bunker

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

We have been crying out for people to share Brexit benefits but no one has been able to find one.

That is bullshite.
The correct phrasing should be ''no one has been able to find one that i can process as being a benefit'' the remain campaign had the same issue, that's why they lost.

 

[First Aspect]

That is bullshite.
The correct phrasing should be ''no one has been able to find one that i can process as being a benefit'' the remain campaign had the same issue, that's why they lost.

Can you give us an example so we can process it incorrectly?

 

[briantrumpet]

OK, here's an article that is more sympathetic to Hannan.

tl;dr essentially the Brexiters radicalised themselves in short order from Norway-type to hard Brexit, leaving Hannan's uincorns stranded.

https://rolandmcs.substack.com/p/daniel-hannan-day

May and her deal fell, and Johnson and Frost then alighted on a hard Brexit - outside the single market, outside any customs union, a border down the Irish Sea, and non-tariff barriers aplenty. Smooth trade with the EU took a beating. It left some Liberal Leavers essentially arguing that the raising of trade barriers did not really have any effect on the economy - a complete upending of their supposed free trade beliefs.

All of this left Hannan’s Brexit expectations and objectives in tatters. And it opened up his 2016 Reaction article to ridicule.

His response? To blame Remainers and the EU, while just occasionally lamenting how we managed to end up here. But because he cannot let go, cannot admit intellectual error, and cannot be disloyal to the Tory cause, he has carried on, steadily becoming more radicalised himself as he tries to remain loyal to his increasingly degenerate friends.

 

[briantrumpet]

 

[Ian H]

There are arguments against the EU: the only directly elected body is pretty toothless. Real power is with the Council of Ministers and the Commission. A right-wing economic policy is enforced on all members (though fudged by some). Decisions are reached by consensus - public dissent by council members is discouraged. The result is that there is effectively no opposition party, no easy way to change direction.

 

[briantrumpet]

There are arguments against the EU: the only directly elected body is pretty toothless. Real power is with the Council of Ministers and the Commission. A right-wing economic policy is enforced on all members (though fudged by some). Decisions are reached by consensus - public dissent by council members is discouraged. The result is that there is effectively no opposition party, no easy way to change direction.

It's imperfect, sure. That's an argument to improve it, which we're not going to do from the outside, and we'll be buffeted by its direction, whether we like it or not.

 

[icowden]

That is bullshite.
The correct phrasing should be ''no one has been able to find one that i can process as being a benefit'' the remain campaign had the same issue, that's why they lost.

I asked AI what tangible measurable benefits UK citizens have seen as a result of Brexit:
Gemini:

In summary, the most clearly "evidenced" benefits of Brexit lie in the realm of sovereignty (the UK's ability to make its own laws and policies) and the signing of new trade deals. However, the economic impact of these changes, particularly the net effect on GDP, trade volumes, and living standards, is a subject where most robust, independent analyses have pointed to a negative overall impact compared to remaining in the EU.

Co-Pilot

That said, most economic indicators—such as trade volumes, investment, and GDP growth—have not shown clear improvement and in some cases have declined relative to pre-Brexit trends3. Labour shortages, inflation, and regulatory friction with the EU have also posed challenges.

Grok:

The most tangible improvement for UK citizens was the faster COVID-19 vaccine rollout, which saved lives and supported economic recovery in 2021. Other benefits, like trade deals and immigration control, have niche or mixed impacts, often offset by economic costs (e.g., 4% GDP loss per OBR, higher consumer prices). Regulatory autonomy and geopolitical flexibility have potential but lack clear, measurable benefits for most citizens as of 2025. The overall impact on UK citizens’ lives remains limited, with many promised benefits either unrealized or counterbalanced by trade-offs.

So Grok actually found one! Faster Covid19 roll out. Everything else is shite though and Boris still killed quite a few thousands of people despite the faster vaccine roll out. I make that a no score draw.

 

[briantrumpet]

I asked AI what tangible measurable benefits UK citizens have seen as a result of Brexit:
Gemini:

Co-Pilot

Grok:


So Grok actually found one! Faster Covid19 roll out. Everything else is shite though and Boris still killed quite a few thousands of people despite the faster vaccine roll out. I make that a no score draw.

I suspect that Grok picked up all the times Johnson has misleadingly claimed that about faster roll-out.

Full Fact:

 

[Xipe Totec]

I asked AI what tangible measurable benefits UK citizens have seen as a result of Brexit:

I think the correct question - which I cordially extend all members here - should be:

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been improved as a consequence of Brexit?

So - let's have it, motherfückers.

 

[briantrumpet]

I think the correct question - which I cordially extend all members here - should be:

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been improved as a consequence of Brexit?

So - let's have it, motherfückers.

Schrödinger's Brexit: it'll always be too early to tell and too late to do anything about it.

 

[PurplePenguin]

I think the correct question - which I cordially extend all members here - should be:

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been improved as a consequence of Brexit?

So - let's have it, motherfückers.

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been made worse as a consequence of Brexit?

 

[briantrumpet]

In what quantifiable way has your life and the lives of those you know and love been made worse as a consequence of Brexit?

It buggered up my woolly plan to spend most of my 7th decade in France without having to jump through hoops.

And I can't being back ham sandwiches through customs.

 

[PurplePenguin]

It buggered up my woolly plan to spend most of my 7th decade in France without having to jump through hoops.

And I can't being back ham sandwiches through customs.

You can still apply for a visa which is more hassle, but doable. As a result of Brexit, it is easier for non-EU citizens to apply for UK visas, so other people have benefited from your administrative burden. And yes, I am aware that those visas could have been relaxed under EU rules, but it was politically impossible to do so.

And bring your ham sandwiches in your stomach.

 

[briantrumpet]

You can still apply for a visa which is more hassle, but doable. As a result of Brexit, it is easier for non-EU citizens to apply for UK visas, so other people have benefited from your administrative burden. And yes, I am aware that those visas could have been relaxed under EU rules, but it was politically impossible to do so.

And bring your ham sandwiches in your stomach.

Sure, I can apply for a visa, but there are things like healthcare coverage, not being able to do paid work when on a tourist visa, etc. I've lost my rights as an EU citizen - everything is now 'at the pleasure of' the host nation. They were tangible benefits/rights. My unspoken thought to the trumpeter who told me he voted for Brexit "because nothing will change but it'll be better" was simply "self-gratification artist".

Sure, there are some workarounds, such as having a French SIM card to avoid roaming fees, filling my belly pre-check-in, etc. But it's not the same as having rights as a citizen.

You might have seen the effect it's had on touring musicians, from young bands wanting to spend a winter in French ski resorts to large professional orchestras for whom it's simply too much hassle & expense - that's another very tangible change for those affected.

 

[dutchguylivingintheuk]

I asked AI what tangible measurable benefits UK citizens have seen as a result of Brexit:

Trump tariffs levied on EU and UK are exactly the same right? What did Trump again say about the EU? Created to bully the US or something? and then the ''fist'' the EU can make representing many countries lead to them getting higher tariff then the uk. What an EU BENEFIT pay MORE get LESS.. oh wait that's a summary off what Mrs. von der Leyen troughout her career has done for the german Taxpayer. What a great EU benefit she now gets to do it for all EU members, shite the UK is really missing out bro!

Having said that, during the whole referendum thing both sides lied a lot, the brexit side claim we could ''take back control'' , ''more money to the poeple'' where off course wrong tangible benefits take years and even then, it's easy to dispute them, look at above a current topic ''EU getting higher tariffs because they upset Trump'' that makes poeple question all tangible benefits.

The Netherlands has been the biggest net-eu payer for years, does that mean you can take the Dutch goverment balance sheet and say ''yeah this and that are tangible eu benefits right there?'' I think not. therefore these things are to complicated and if the Uk had a competent goverment at least one in the last 8years the brexit benefits story could look completely different could and that the whole thing with this

I suspect that Grok picked up all the times Johnson has misleadingly claimed that about faster roll-out.

Full Fact:
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Nice try and off course technically true but i do remember things and the point at the times was not that the uk was faster because legally it wasn't doing something that other members states couldn't although there might be media / politicians who claim otherwise to benefit their agenda.
So legally any other EU member country could potentially have done the same thing, however they had more resources stuck in the EU regulator called EMA and the uk already had it's own regulator (also before leaving the EU) and thus could fast-track things. Alltough technically possible whilst we where still in the EU the fact that we where leaving did make it easyer to step on some toes.

But for example most car that are imported still go trough Germany